lamey vs. 701 super-bore

[freestylegeek]

Its not a 760? You mean the 701 or the Lamey :biggrin: I am probably not ready for the power this thing will make but what the hay.........it's here, all I have to do is assemble it. :cheer: And I was comfortable with the 701's power

oops! I ment 701. :banghead:

 

[Moondance]

Is your riding skill high enough to warrant a new lamey cylinder? A standard cylinder is fine for 75% of people. You dont NEED a lamey to barrel roll, or backflip. It's all about dedication, skill, and desire. Me personally, i couldnt see spending 2k+ on a lamey, when i could build myself a lightweight hull that would make a larger difference.

Bingo....everyone has given him great ideas about what to do & how to spend his money. But the question of his skills has never been addressed. If I remember correctly, grifnasty has only been riding for a short time. I know arguments will follow this post now. BUT....we all know how expensive this sport can get. Why not improve on your skills & then build something to fit those skills that you've acquired.

 

[DAG]

Is your riding skill high enough to warrant a new lamey cylinder? A standard cylinder is fine for 75% of people. You dont NEED a lamey to barrel roll, or backflip. It's all about dedication, skill, and desire. Me personally, i couldnt see spending 2k+ on a lamey, when i could build myself a lightweight hull that would make a larger difference.

just want more power, snappy respaunce, hard hitting machine to get launched.
i'm leaving my lake and moving to school. and i'm moving my freeriding from boat wakes to 100% flat water....:banghead:

 

[DAG]

ps: i am getting my stabs inverted now, can do nearly all hoodtricks.
working on 50-50 half way there. and all teh basic tricks are masters..
i'm a quick learner..
However i haev not attempted a roll, i dont feel like i'm getting to height to clear.. :/



just wanted to know how to get more power...

yes i know skill coems from pratice.. dont need another lecture on that

thanK you
-grif

 

[Waste Land]

why dont you do a freestyle port?????? dont go too nuts too fast....

Exactly....Learn to ride the thing decent before going ape shiz.

From your other post....your tuning is off, your compression is low, so your not even getting the full hit yet.

You have WAY more crap on yours then I others have that are BRing on flat water all day long. So ask yourself...what do I need all this pwoer for? Jump a few feet higher off a wave? or...are you falling into the "I gotta have it" rut

 

[Moondance]

ps: i am getting my stabs inverted now, can do nearly all hoodtricks.
working on 50-50 half way there. and all teh basic tricks are masters..
i'm a quick learner..
However i haev not attempted a roll, i dont feel like i'm getting to height to clear.. :/



just wanted to know how to get more power...

yes i know skill coems from pratice.. dont need another lecture on that

thanK you
-grif

Nobody's trying to lecture you. People are trying to help you. You are all over the place about your ski. You have posted multiple threads about your ski doing this or that. You even have a post now about your tuning. MAYBE that is your problem. If you are not confident enough in your own skills as a mechanic/tuner, then find some one who can ride your ski & help you out. That's what this forum is all about...people helping people. BUT you also have to listen to what people are trying to tell you.

 

[Freestyleriverrat]

When it comes to skill matching the machine I will be a total poser on the Lamey :biggthumpup: :haha: I did not go out and spend 3000 on a lamey set up though. All and all I think I will have about 1650 in my lamey cylinder b/c I got the cylinder and pistons for 1500 used. If you subtract 500 if I sell my 701 ported cylinder, domes and forged pistons you are looking at about $1100 for my set up when done, at 1/2 the price of a 760 BB kit.

I also like to work on my boat, I almost get more satisfaction turning wrenches than I do riding.......especially this year. I have probaly spent 100 times more time wrenching than riding this year,,,,sad to say.

 

[Matt_E]

What makes everyone think the ported BB 760 is 2500ish???

 

[Big Kahuna]

Is your riding skill high enough to warrant a new lamey cylinder? A standard cylinder is fine for 75% of people. You dont NEED a lamey to barrel roll, or backflip. It's all about dedication, skill, and desire. Me personally, i couldnt see spending 2k+ on a lamey, when i could build myself a lightweight hull that would make a larger difference.

Hulka, it scares me more and more when I agree with you!!!!!!!!!!

I dont like the power that a full bore Lamey or Flat-top stroker makes, it is more than I like........ Just ask Parrdaddy or Paul, they both rode my ski at Paul and Kathy's wedding this weekend, a very well balanced setup. it is a TLR prepped 701 (730 cc +/- 83mm bore).... Learn to master what you have got, not learn to try and handle the power that you have that you cannot control........

 

[FL-cracker]

^^^^Throttle control means so much. It does sound like he is on his way to being a godd rider, its time to balls up and go for some roles......dont worry, Im right there with ya!

 

[DAG]

If you are not confident enough in your own skills as a mechanic/tuner, then find some one who can ride your ski & help you out. That's what this forum is all about...people helping people. BUT you also have to listen to what people are trying to tell you.

its not that i'm not confident in my skills, its i'v dont know what i'm looking for. never played with a pwc motor before. never really cared untill i got into freestyle last season.

i alsways listen to what otehr say... but the point of this thread was to discuss teh power relationships bewteen different bored cylenders and teh best bang for teh buck. yes i agree with all you guys its more than 80% skill and pratice over teh proformance of an engine. i know i cant go out and buy tigers woods golf clubs and hit a 400yrd drive hole in one off a par 4.

just curious as to why my ski does not seam to hit like some say it should.
maby i'm usted to the power.. thats why i posted this thread.. :beerchug:

 

[DAG]

It does sound like he is on his way to being a godd rider,

i like that, but i bet you ment good..

 

[Moondance]

its not that i'm not confident in my skills, its i'v dont know what i'm looking for. never played with a pwc motor before. never really cared untill i got into freestyle last season.

i alsways listen to what otehr say...

Then you've answered your own questions....you don't know what you're looking for. You need to hook up with someone who can teach you & show you what to look for. It's great that you're asking questions....you can learn from that too. But learn about what you have before throwing a bunch of money into something else that you still won't understand.

 

[justride]

will a $5000.00 motor make you be able to br or flat water backflip, is it that much better then a 701 ported motor, does it make you go that much higher like you see lenzi going..

it just sound's like so much money and I think that when new ( just starting out in this sport) people hear about these types of set up, they say if I had a lamey I could br.. Well I think learn how to ride and don't worry about a 5000. motor, skill be for motor, don't waste your time and money on a big motor, just go out and ride...
just my 2 cents.

Keep the kids minds off lamey's,
foces on riding and keep it cheap.

just my 2 cents

 

[yamaslut]

will a $5000.00 motor make you be able to br or flat water backflip, is it that much better then a 701 ported motor, does it make you go that much higher like you see lenzi going..

it just sound's like so much money and I think that when new ( just starting out in this sport) people hear about these types of set up, they say if I had a lamey I could br.. Well I think learn how to ride and don't worry about a 5000. motor, skill be for motor, don't waste your time and money on a big motor, just go out and ride...
just my 2 cents.

Keep the kids minds off lamey's,
foces on riding and keep it cheap.

just my 2 cents

amen.... :cheer:

 

[Moondance]

will a $5000.00 motor make you be able to br or flat water backflip, is it that much better then a 701 ported motor, does it make you go that much higher like you see lenzi going..

it just sound's like so much money and I think that when new ( just starting out in this sport) people hear about these types of set up, they say if I had a lamey I could br.. Well I think learn how to ride and don't worry about a 5000. motor, skill be for motor, don't waste your time and money on a big motor, just go out and ride...
just my 2 cents.

Keep the kids minds off lamey's,
foces on riding and keep it cheap.

just my 2 cents

bingo & amen

 

[Freestyleriverrat]

Keep in mind that POWER is great for POWER moves like water to water BR. But the vast majority of tricks don't involve that much power, just responsiveness and positioning the ski where you want it. I'll take response over power anyday. You don't need power to do BR's, as I said water to water yes, but you can do anything off a wake once you learn where to hit the wave and how to roll the ski. If you nose stab enough and get comfortable with the ski inverted I guarentee a roll will soon follow.

I can or I can't...............its all in your head!!!! From my experience I munch on stuff for a while until I just get sick of thinking, then I decide to go for broke; then I usually beat myself up for about an hour on how much time I wasted thinging about it and not trying it. I spend almost all my time on the water battling my brain not the boat. Just something to think about. I am the my own biggest obsticle.

 

[Matt_E]

I spend almost all my time on the water battling my brain not the boat.

F'n A. Same here.

 

[justride]

For The Guys That Think They Need Lamey's,

It's All In The Set Up Wave,

Spend More Time On The Water, Not In Your Walet!!!!

 

[freestylegeek]

For The Guys That Think They Need Lamey's,

It's All In The Set Up Wave,

Spend More Time On The Water, Not In Your Walet!!!!

Absolutly!!
That, plus keeping the pole on the hood, pulling your legs up as hard as you can, staying in the center of the boat, and as much steering throw as you can possibly get.