Lee Stones Flat water Super Flip at the 2010 IJSBA World Finals !!!!

[Big Kahuna]

lee is bad azz but if alot more younger guys had access to big money skis like they do in fmx,there would be a ton of guys pulling this trick and many others not yet even thought about,easy to see why there isnt though,fmx is making a VERY good living for those guys.

Comparing FMX to Freestyle is a stretch at best. Same theory but not in the same ballpark.

If you pick 10 of the best flatwater guys here on the site and give them equal ski's as Lee's EME. I would say the the best one of those guys could only pull off half of the tricks half as good. This is not FMX where you have the same ramp to hit over and over. The setup wake is never the same. They dynamics of these some of these tricks are totally different. Put Pastrana on a ski for a year and I bet you he would not be near the rider that Lee, Erik, Watanabe, Fujisawa, Alessander (SP), Marc, Rick Roy are.

 

[NVJAY775]

X2

The height Lee was getting was amazing in itself. On his website there a re a few vids that are fun to watch. He nails a super clean flatspin off a boat wake. Among other smooth tricks. I am definitely enjoying the progression of tricks this year.

 

[tom21]

Comparing FMX to Freestyle is a stretch at best. Same theory but not in the same ballpark.

If you pick 10 of the best flatwater guys here on the site and give them equal ski's as Lee's EME. I would say the the best one of those guys could only pull off half of the tricks half as good. This is not FMX where you have the same ramp to hit over and over. The setup wake is never the same. They dynamics of these some of these tricks are totally different. Put Pastrana on a ski for a year and I bet you he would not be near the rider that Lee, Erik, Watanabe, Fujisawa, Alessander (SP), Marc, Rick Roy are.

I hate do disagree but from what I heard, you are totally wrong. I will have to let someone with firsthand knowledge fill you in.

 

[Big Kahuna]

I hate do disagree but from what I heard, you are totally wrong. I will have to let someone with firsthand knowledge fill you in.

Dont get me wrong, FMX is tough. Not trying to take away from any of those guys. Just pointing out the fact that the ramps do not move. The landings are a set distance apart. The angle of the ramps is fixed.

Whereas the setup wakes do move in a blink of an eye, the setup wake can be there when your nose reaches it, and then be flattened by a cross wake before your pump leaves the water. ( I just about broke my ankle at the Pensicola ride when this actually happened, had to toss the ski in a roll attempt when the wake just dropped out), The pumps can cavitate at the last second causing you to loose your "Hit", "Thrust", "Momentum". Pulling off the perfect trick is a half a second away from nailing it with perfection or salvaging it. There are so many factors that come into play that you do not have to deal with on an FMX track. I do not think throwing a $30,000 RRP FS1 at some kid is going to make him a great rider who can pull of Superflips.

Hell, Give Gil Lee's Q8. He still would not be able to Roll, Back Flip much less Superflip.

Also, I do not see how my opinion can be wrong. It is my opinion.

Bottom line, There is not but a few out there that can pull a flat water superflip, much less one in the waves. On an FMX bike, you have a whole lot more time to work with than on a ski.

 

[SuziQ]

You men type too much!

Congratulations Mr. Stone, as well as everyone else who participated.

 

[yamaslut]

I saw Pastrana on a ski and he was not bad for a beginner. I really feel he would be good but not anywhere near the skill level of a Lee Stone in a year.

I think people who ride standups forget that there really is nothing like it outside jetskiing, unlike MX which is a "cousin" of bicycling and tricks can be easily adapted back and forth... Jetskiing is it's own beast unlike anything. I think thats why it doesn't translate well.. I guess what I am saying is comparing abilities between skiing and FMX is impossible and to determine if someone could be good is impossible too.

back to topic: Lee Stone rips!!!! Plain and simple

 

[WILKEY]

x2 slut. stone should name it his own trick imo..... the stoner hahaha

 

[masterblaster]

Comparing FMX to Freestyle is a stretch at best. Same theory but not in the same ballpark.

If you pick 10 of the best flatwater guys here on the site and give them equal ski's as Lee's EME. I would say the the best one of those guys could only pull off half of the tricks half as good. This is not FMX where you have the same ramp to hit over and over. The setup wake is never the same. They dynamics of these some of these tricks are totally different. Put Pastrana on a ski for a year and I bet you he would not be near the rider that Lee, Erik, Watanabe, Fujisawa, Alessander (SP), Marc, Rick Roy are.

fmx was just a one quick example that came to mind,We have cycled through alot of guys in the wavejunkies,the guys who were young and natural athletes from many diff sports,always get sick good fast,take a older guy even athletic and there is no comparison,sometimes capability gets trumped by willingness in later yrs. old guys have $ and expensive skis,less capability, less willingness,and the worst of all take twice as long or worse to recoup injury!young guys have youth,very little self preservation and crap low power skis,hence progression......slow.
Riding a standup is hard for the average guy newbie and no disrespect to any of the competitors out there today,but if a natural athlete like Travis P was riding 40k standups as long as most competitors have been with the ballz of steel he has and the total disregard for consequences of injury he would be.......well i dont even wana go there.Lee rocks,if there were 10 more just like him breathing down his neck close in comps it would be sick in few yrs

good example is,take the top 3 older freestyle competitors and the top 3 fmx riders in the world,switch sports for a yr and lets see who can closest replicate the tricks in the end.lol

 

[Big Kahuna]

fmx was just a one quick example that came to mind,We have cycled through alot of guys in the wavejunkies,the guys who were young and natural athletes from many diff sports,always get sick good fast,take a older guy even athletic and there is no comparison,sometimes capability gets trumped by willingness in later yrs. old guys have $ and expensive skis,less capability, less willingness,and the worst of all take twice as long or worse to recoup injury!young guys have youth,very little self preservation and crap low power skis,hence progression......slow.
Riding a standup is hard for the average guy newbie and no disrespect to any of the competitors out there today,but if a natural athlete like Travis P was riding 40k standups as long as most competitors have been with the ballz of steel he has and the total disregard for consequences of injury he would be.......well i dont even wana go there.Lee rocks,if there were 10 more just like him breathing down his neck close in comps it would be sick in few yrs

good example is,take the top 3 older freestyle competitors and the top 3 fmx riders in the world,switch sports for a yr and lets see who can closest replicate the tricks in the end.lol

I would say the Jetskiers would have progressed better on the bikes.

 

[Billybo455]

bk you're nuts. i'd be will bet the jet ski guys wouldn't have the nuts to hit most of the jumps on a mx track. i was prolly 4 or 5 rides in my life of riding stand ups on my 750sx. lucumpits drops by and i tried a back flip. the mentality is no where near the same. i'm not afraid on the water. i've raced dirt bikes for years and still ride quite a bit. every time i hit a jump for the first time day or a new jump i don't know, i can tell the pitch of my voice goes up a little bit. these fmx guys are going 30-45 feet in height and over 100 feet in distance and then they land on hard dirt. when they mess up it's almost something broke everytime time. lee's flip was pretty damn cool. don't get me wrong, i thought it was pretty cool. there's just a huge mental block to get over on a dirt bike. would you ride your ski the same knowing every attempt you mess up on could put you on your back or in a chair for months? please don't take this as an insult. i'm just saying. also have you ever had the chance to go to a fmx or mx or sx track and walk it? if you haven't, the jumps are way bigger then you think.

 

[SJBrit]

I have to say that I would be terrified to get inverted on a dirt bike knowing what could happen if I didn't make it all the way around! Not quite sure how this thread turned into FMX vs. freestyle jet skiing, but here's my $0.02:

If you want to compare FMX with jet skiing then you have to compare it with freeride to get a similar comparison in terms of jump size and airtime. Then you have to consider the difference bewteen hitting a ramp which is purpose built for jumping, with a landing ramp on the other side and is the same every time you hit it, vs. a wave where two are never the same, where the one you're on will be different by the time you get to the lip, and where there is just a big hole on the backside. The conclusion you ought to reach is that comparing FMX and jet skiing is silly because it's apples and oranges. The other conclusion you could draw is that FMXers show you what can be done when the ramp is no longer part of the equation, and freeriders show you what can be done when there is luck and skill just getting onto the air right.

 

[Ross_C]

First off...Lee rocked it. And it is hard to argue that he is not the best flat water rider on the planet right now. Although you guys should know that Ant Burgess did pull the flat water super flip off first, although not nearly as extended. Lee would have won even with out the super flip...however, I am really glad to see that these guys have finally adapted it to flat water. It could easily have been done a couple of years ago.

As to the silly argument going on, SJBrit seems to be about the only one making sense to me. But if I were to give my opinion, I think it is borderline offensive to think that anyone without a background in the sport could train for a year and achieve what someone like Lee has dedicated so much of his life to. And you can't compare which one is harder, because it is all relative to your background.

Damnit...you guys sucked me in!

 

[OCD Solutions]

lol, glad you could weigh in with some reason Ross but the Brit will have to go buy a larger helmet now. :biggrin:

 

[SJBrit]

lol, glad you could weigh in with some reason Ross but the Brit will have to go buy a larger helmet now. :biggrin:

I nearly needed a huge one earlier: a cute chick came up to me and said "here's that hansome guy! He's so gorgeous!" Turns out she was talking about my dog. Bugger.

 

[masterblaster]

sjbrit,good anology on fmx vs freeride,I knew i shouldnt use fmx as a example,the point was really if more younger guys had big $ skis in freestyle alot more would be going down with it,just like ross said,the sflip could have been done long ago,along come a young guy like lee and shazam it happens.
In freeride you just need youth talent and ballz and it doesnt hurt to have a smaller pitbull build either,most any low $ motor/hull will do. Our resident junkie pitbull zimmy backflips a b1 at wavedaze loses his feet from straps comes down from who knows how high,straight up and down to the ski as its flatlanding pile drives his helmet almost through the hood,leaves a perfect helmet shape crack indention into it 360deg,and is back riding in a few hours,most of us would have broke our freakin neck.
Ross in my comparison,I was referring to a guy like Tp riding freestyle "as long as most freestyle competitors have been"....this is deff very relevant. Lee rocks freestyle almost as good as you rock freeride,I just wish there were 50 more of both of you to take it to the next level on a broader spectrum. whooooooooooooosh I knew we would suck you in sooner or later.lol

 

[WILKEY]

geez i cant get enough of this vid!!! anyone got vid of the double up hits? i bet dudes were straight killin it out there!!

 

[djkorn1]

Damnit...you guys sucked me in!

Glad to see you haven't ditched us yet, Ross! Jetskiing blows FMX out because you can chat with the #1 rider in the world and then go to a freeride and rip along side him.