Lets talk starters

bored&stroked

Urban redneck
Location
AZ
I attached a pic of one of my starters. Backstory is it was in an engine that was locked up when I got it. I noticed how the housing had rotated by the bolts not being strait, but in testing it cranked fine. Fast forward a couple lake trips, and when its cranking it makes a bad noise now that gets worse as it heats up. My questions are
A: what should I look for when taking it apart to be damaged?
B: I've seen threads talking about using motorcycle sm-13 starters. Some look the same with external bolts holding it together, others seem to have a completely different case with internal bolts. Are they the same internally, or do I need to source one with the same external bolt case?
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Inside the end for the power cable posts will be the brushes. It's a good bit of fun getting them back in once you've opened it up and are reassembling. But the noise is one of two things, either the bearing(s), can't remember if there's one on the brush side, or the starter bendix. If the bearing in the starter is going bad it will slow the cranking speed and draw excessive current which will burn things out like the brushes and the wire they're attached to, possibly the solenoid too. If it's the bendix, it's because it's starting to seize and as you heat it up you're introducing expansion into a part that has already lost clearance because of rust and corrosion from sitting further binding it up. Usually the early telltale signs are a sort of squeally groany tone after the starts and the bendix is trying to retract to it's disengaged position, or you get the infamous buzz from the starter spinning but no engagement with the motor. After multiple tries the centrifugal force finally breaks the seize and you get engine engagement. Sometimes it'll let you go the season like that, sometimes it'll let you get a few starts before it finally seizes solidly.

When taking apart the starter, get some 400 or higher grit Emery cloth and polish where the brushes contact the core of the starter, check that the brushes have at least 3/8" of material to keep the springs well loaded, if they don't then you'll need a brush kit. Once they get down to 1/4" or less they'll pull out with the rotation of the starter and jam up. In the barrel of the starter there are alignment slots for the brush plate, it is only supposed to go on one way, that's why your bolts are offset from a straight line, because either the plate was jammed together or the tabs on it are broken off. But you'll definitely see there's only one way they can go together. If I recall there should also be a few thin lines cast into the outer body of the starter to help with aligning it all. But they're a very basic concept, remove the nut, lock washer and insulator off the post, pull the barrel apart in three pieces, don't lose the square shaped rubber insulator on the post that seals it from the body, replace orings if nicked, stretched or obviously if they break, new bearings if needed, polish the commutator core, blow out the dust, reinstall after a bench test. If the bendix is going bad, just replace it with a new one. It's not worth trying to clean them up and recondition them. They will leave you stranded.
 

waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
Inside the end for the power cable posts will be the brushes. It's a good bit of fun getting them back in once you've opened it up and are reassembling. But the noise is one of two things, either the bearing(s), can't remember if there's one on the brush side, or the starter bendix. If the bearing in the starter is going bad it will slow the cranking speed and draw excessive current which will burn things out like the brushes and the wire they're attached to, possibly the solenoid too. If it's the bendix, it's because it's starting to seize and as you heat it up you're introducing expansion into a part that has already lost clearance because of rust and corrosion from sitting further binding it up. Usually the early telltale signs are a sort of squeally groany tone after the starts and the bendix is trying to retract to it's disengaged position, or you get the infamous buzz from the starter spinning but no engagement with the motor. After multiple tries the centrifugal force finally breaks the seize and you get engine engagement. Sometimes it'll let you go the season like that, sometimes it'll let you get a few starts before it finally seizes solidly.

When taking apart the starter, get some 400 or higher grit Emery cloth and polish where the brushes contact the core of the starter, check that the brushes have at least 3/8" of material to keep the springs well loaded, if they don't then you'll need a brush kit. Once they get down to 1/4" or less they'll pull out with the rotation of the starter and jam up. In the barrel of the starter there are alignment slots for the brush plate, it is only supposed to go on one way, that's why your bolts are offset from a straight line, because either the plate was jammed together or the tabs on it are broken off. But you'll definitely see there's only one way they can go together. If I recall there should also be a few thin lines cast into the outer body of the starter to help with aligning it all. But they're a very basic concept, remove the nut, lock washer and insulator off the post, pull the barrel apart in three pieces, don't lose the square shaped rubber insulator on the post that seals it from the body, replace orings if nicked, stretched or obviously if they break, new bearings if needed, polish the commutator core, blow out the dust, reinstall after a bench test. If the bendix is going bad, just replace it with a new one. It's not worth trying to clean them up and recondition them. They will leave you stranded.
Can we make this a sticky. Thats a well written answer.
 
That squeek noise you hear is the front bearing. Those get rusty when water gets left in the front cover. If that bearing gets loose, then the shaft moves and it can strip on the big bendix gear.
 

bored&stroked

Urban redneck
Location
AZ
Where does everyone get rebuild kits for the Yamaha starters?
Great question, I've only found one kit that shows roller bearings instead of bushings, but in the description it says its for brushes and they don't promise the bearings will work. WTF mate.
 
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