Matt_E Roundnose Rebuild Thread - Motor Update for 2009

Matt_E

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***See below for first impressions on completed build***

I need to do some required work on my Roundnose in the offseason, and I figured I'd do some other stuff, too.
Quite a bit comes from necessity and figuring out what I need/want from my ski after riding it hard for a year the way it now is.
I am still trying to determine exactly what I'll do, to what extent, and what to buy.
Input very welcome here.

NEED
Gotta defoam the thing. It is waterlogged and heavy.
Just this past season I sealed & refoamed my Squarenose, and that thing is a feather-weight compared to my Roundnose. I can stand in the tray of the Square without it sinking much.
Do the same on my Roundie, and it's instant tailstand.
Plus, the inserts are leaking water out.
It's gotta be done.

I don't think I'll be refoaming it.
Instead, it will get reinforced in the tray area. I will put a drainplug in on each side. That will keep the back end light and water-free.
After seeing Cracker do that and calling him nuts, I've followed his experiences with it and came to the conclusion that it's not a bad idea.
Any amount of water that comes in during normal riding is miniscule and will be drained after each riding day.
The only way to get BIG amounts of water in that would cause a serious problem would be a catastrophic hull leak - i.e., you run into something and split the hull open.
I am tired of waterlogged foam.

I need to seal my engine compartment better. That ski sinks very quickly when it's upside down. A lot of this has to do with the one-way valve letting air out in a hurry, but the hood/seal and the pole bracket let water in badly.
I need to extend the breather tube for the pole.

WANT
Eliminate the current one way valve. It sinks my ski when it's upside down. Additionally, sealing PVC pipe to the SMC hull is tough. The oneway exit out the hull is one of my water ingress points, in fact.
I don't like the idea of eliminating the one-way altogether and having only electric bilge pumps to get water out.
I am considering getting the Blowsion oneway kit. That valve is different from regular oneway valves. The spring tension is higher and it's not a flap but rather the entire disc moves forward/backward (if I understand it right).
I think they supply Glass tube, so it would seal better.
I need to research this a bit more, of course.
It's just that my current valve actuates to easily and that the PVC pipe is crap.

I'd like to eliminate the rear exhaust altogether, but I won't do it because of the noise level. Sorry Holmes, can't do it.

I would like to get a shorter pole. Right now, I run the complete X-Metal gambit. -2 Pole, bracket, Straight steering.
It's too long still.
I think I'll sell that pole and go for a -4 pole.

I will sell my current hood. It's been a good strong hood, but it's heavy and doesn't seal right. I am not sure whether to buy another hood or just to cut my stocker I still got kicking around.
I think I'll have money for either a new pole or a new hood, sooooo......I guess I'll butcher my stock hood first and go from there.

Now for the most controversial item on my list.....Shortening my hull
I am considering doing this...but I don't know if I should.
Everyone that's done it loves it. But it seems drastic.
This being a Roundnose, it would necessitate removing the rear two rideplate inserts and moving them further forward.
I am 5'5", 190lbs.
To cut or not to cut....INPUT PLEASE

Some pics of the ski as it currently is configured.




As of yesterday, April 26th 2008, it's officially done.
I did defoam completely, removed all tubes, cleaned them, reinstalled them, and sealed them.
I put extruded polystyrene back in as foam (water-proof) with a little bit of 2-part foam to fill the cracks.
I also installed drainplugs.
The hull lost about 30lbs of weight.
The bilge appears to be sealed well now. I have a better fitting WDK hood and an OEM hood seal. I also went to a shorter, dual-breather XMW pole (vs the single breather last year)
I run a Blowsion one way valve now and am very pleased with it's performance. No leakage.
I got rid of the front exhaust. Still loud with the XMW box, but not like last year.
After last year's -2 inch pole setup, I now have a -4 pole with the -2.5 XMW steering. Supposedly, the pole bracket brings it forward another inch, so I am sitting at -7.5 over stock. I am a short guy....5'6" at best.
Still, I am loving it. Short poles rule!

And, the most controversial item was the hull shortening....well, it's also the best! Handling is a dream! Very squirrely, very quick, very fast steering. I love it.
It still carves super-nice thanks to Tubbies II.
All in all, a good build.
See third pic for completed build
 

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Crab

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I'm in the same boat, my roundie has wet foam on the right side. I just pulled a screw this morning and drained it. When I put in the Rev footholds, I want to pull the exhaust tube, add a layer of glass to the bond line in there, and properly glue in my one way. I also need to reinforce the front hull sides, under the pole bracket, install my billet pole bracket, turf the tray and rails, and repaint.
 
matt...I have had EXCELLENT..(and I cannot stress that enough) performance from my blowsion 1 way in my fx-1....It can be tied to the pontoon for any amount of time and NO water comes out the bilge...


definatly -4 pole (or even -5 if he has one)...

as for shortening the hull....sounds like ALOT of work
 

IceRocket1286

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Instead of drain plugs, I suggesting trying installing 2 duck bill drains. They drain water automatically, and you dont have to plug/unplug them like a drain plug, it can be left alone.
 

Frosty

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matt...I have had EXCELLENT..(and I cannot stress that enough) performance from my blowsion 1 way in my fx-1....It can be tied to the pontoon for any amount of time and NO water comes out the bilge...

I'm on year 3 with my Blowsion one way valve!! no problems at all. :bananajump:
 

Matt_E

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I disagree.
My #1 problem with my current one-way is that it sinks my ski when the ski is upside down.
A scupper in the dash wouldn't fix this.
 

SuperJETT

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I know of a very nice Wamiltons freestyle ski that is at the bottom of a lake in Florida, no foam.

I once had a 550 that when you hit WOT, water would spray from the rivets below the latch area. I assumed one of the cooling lines had a leak inside the hull and filled it up.

Anyway, I'll keep foam in my ski.
 
Matt may be right- I don't think the issue would be the scupper being upside down, I think the air pressure inside the engine compartment would overcome the water pressure at the dash area. I was thinking about the issues I've been having with my oneway, my ski sinking while sitting at the dock and having another leak into the foam.


Sorry for the thread Hijack Matt
 
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Matt_E

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I think the issues would persist.

I think I'll go with the Blowsion oneway kit, pending a phone call to Blowsion. Need to find out about the pipe material.
 

The Penguin

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I know of a very nice Wamiltons freestyle ski that is at the bottom of a lake in Florida, no foam.

I once had a 550 that when you hit WOT, water would spray from the rivets below the latch area. I assumed one of the cooling lines had a leak inside the hull and filled it up.

Anyway, I'll keep foam in my ski.
hmmmmmmm, what lake? I know a guy with a sonar :biggrin:
 
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