minimum mods??

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Hey guys, I did a search first to see if there was anything covering this already, but didn't come up with much. I know that skill and athletcism also comes in as a factor, but what are the minimum mods that need to be done for enough power to do a barrel roll (since we all know we aren't michael ratti's and can't roll a stock SJ). I've got some mods already, and, but i haven't got the boat together to try it out. I just wanted to know if you all thought i should have enough power?

2001 SJ
62t cases, lightened stock fly wheel
61x cylinders with exhaust porting by protec
pro tec high comp. head with 35 cc domes
dual 48mm RIVA pro series carbs.
mototassinari reed cages with carbon reeds
Riva intake manifold
brand new B-pipe (mod chamber)
skat trak magnum pump
skat trak 12/17 cut back 3 mm by impros (freeride swirl)
Pro tec drop nozzel (could be switched up??)
pro tec scoop intake grate
shortened handpole 2 inches

Also, would quick steering from x-metal improve the quickness of my rolls significantly or not? What ride plate would be best for rolls and overall freeride boat? I have a long extended worx dominator plate that i'm going to try out, but i know i won't like. I want th nose to be light. I have a stock plate around that i might switch to and possible try to d-cut (good idea?)

All ideas and opinions welcomed. I'm just trying to get a feel for my boats power level before it's together.

Thanks - Jake
 
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Dubs chops

Dubs chops

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1 billion:splatt: to the moon. I think you have way more than needed to do a roll. that being said other than the pump you have a very similar setup to what i am building and even though i havent tried yet i believe i will have some good Brap for trying rolls.
 
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NICE!!!! i was hoping for that. My dad (showmepro1200) and i have gone from a 1990 stock 650 sj to a 2002 stock SJ and now we have finally cracked the boats open and gone with mods. I have never personally riden andythign except stock, so i think what we have now will be a significant improvment.


I know that technique plays in a lot. Last summer i tried one roll and got about mid way between 1/2 and 3/4 the way around and that was off a 3 foot wave. I kn ew i didn't have enough power so i stopped for the summer. Not to mention it didn't help that i almost got a facial reconstruction by the hood.
 
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thegoldenboy

thegoldenboy

RN Surgery... soon
Location
Toronto
Technique has more to do with it than power.

I would try them off a boat wake or surf wave, or double up first. Once you get comfortable stomping the landings, move to your own wake.

You won't need as much power this way, and can focus on the actual roll portion of the trick.

Although I'm a newb to barrel rolls, I'm going to go with this method and hoepfully be able to throw rolls with a quicker learning curve.

IMO the average to good rider (athleticism, coordination, strength, etc.) should be able to flatwater roll a limited SJ with appropriate mods to keep you glued to the ski (i.e. footholds that are padded well enough to keep you IN!)
 
RadRat

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www.proridermag.com
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McDonough, GA
EXPERIMENTAL said:
Hey guys, I did a search first to see if there was anything covering this already, but didn't come up with much. I know that skill and athletcism also comes in as a factor, but what are the minimum mods that need to be done for enough power to do a barrel roll (since we all know we aren't michael ratti's and can't roll a stock SJ). I've got some mods already, and, but i haven't got the boat together to try it out. I just wanted to know if you all thought i should have enough power?

2001 SJ
62t cases, lightened stock fly wheel
61x cylinders with exhaust porting by protec
pro tec high comp. head with 35 cc domes
dual 48mm RIVA pro series carbs.
mototassinari reed cages with carbon reeds
Riva intake manifold
brand new B-pipe (mod chamber)
skat trak magnum pump
skat trak 12/17 cut back 3 mm by impros (freeride swirl)
Pro tec drop nozzel (could be switched up??)
pro tec scoop intake grate
shortened handpole 2 inches

Also, would quick steering from x-metal improve the quickness of my rolls significantly or not? What ride plate would be best for rolls and overall freeride boat? I have a long extended worx dominator plate that i'm going to try out, but i know i won't like. I want th nose to be light. I have a stock plate around that i might switch to and possible try to d-cut (good idea?)

All ideas and opinions welcomed. I'm just trying to get a feel for my boats power level before it's together.

Thanks - Jake
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Jake,

Thank you very much for the compliment! :headbang: The best minimal setup I would recomend for making rolls and nosestabs easy to get down would be a stock ski, stock rideplate, footholds (obviously lol), and a shortened pole with quick steering. I remember when I first switched to a shortened pole setup it was amazing on how easy the ski would turn and flip around. If your looking for a tad more power; a b-pipe and head will go a very long way! Judging by your list, it looks like your ready to get in the water and thrash! Good luck! :bigok:
 
Mark44

Mark44

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Dubs chops said:
Dont get em wron i know it is more technique than anything but Having power dont hurt for flatwater rolls either.
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It does hurt for flat water rolls, I know guys that have gobs of power but it is to much for them at there skill level so the scared switch stays on..... IMO

But that is a mental thing, I feel it is just better to start off with a pipe and steering mods.

Mark44
 
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RadRat

RadRat

www.proridermag.com
Location
McDonough, GA
Mark44 said:
It does hurt for flat water rolls, I know guys that have gobs of power but it is to much for them at there skill level so the scared switch stays on..... IMO

But that is a mental thing, I feel it is just better to start off with a pipe and steering mods.

Mark44
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Marks right, I always say let your technique dictate your spending. You'll notice that you can save alot more money and put it towards more gas to ride!
 
MADMAT

MADMAT

Location
Ohio
I'm shocked you have a ski like that with stock steering.

That is the last thing I would add. That ski is gonna rip hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I definatly am looking into buying quick steering. Most of the mods listed (besides the b-pipe, and oh yeah kicker footholds) came with the boat. I got a really good deal on a race ski and am converting it into a freestyle/freeride ski.

Michael - All i really have to say is WOW!!! i watched one of your old videos (the one that had alkaline trio playing in the back ground). That video was awesome. You really were one of the big reasons i was so into freestyle and wanting to go bigger and bigger with tricks. I know you have a lot of experience under your belt, but hopefully i'll get there some day.
 
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tipafew

tipafew

Location
Grand Rapids, MI
Yep, you have PLENTY of power. Quick steering is your next must.
It helps a ton if you ride with someone that can do rolls and watch you attempt yours.
I was riding with a kid last summer that had a lot of tallent, but couldn't roll. His technique was way off. He was rolling by the end of the day!
Not that I do that great on flat water! I am usually pretty happy with 3/4 rotation.

Chad
 
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