Other motor mounts..
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So the options out there are.
Stock yami
RHass
RHass big CC
Cold fusion
701 industries
Stock yami
RHass
RHass big CC
Cold fusion
701 industries
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Robin said he will hoop on and talk about that. Just different mounts for different motors.
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The main difference in the standard formula over the big motor formula is geared toward the vibration felt by the rider. The big motors need the motor mounts to be a little harder to help dampen the vibration loads from stroker and big bore motors. The way motor mounts dampen is to take the load and absorb it into the rubber material through the deflection of the material. To little deflection and all the energy is transmitted through to the hull, too much deflection and the motor will shake too much. If there is more vibration load the material needs to be a slightly higher durometer. They are relatively the same in strength, We are just offering a better match for the mechanics of different motors.
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Here is my very unbiased opinion of aftermarket mounts and what I have seen over that last few years and how far they have come.
With the number of skis in the Rad Dudes group and the amount of riding we all do we end up being a very good test base.
So RHaas when he first started making mounts (still using stock bases) we got about 6 sets in our group. All different skis X2s, blasters, Superjets, SXRs, Keith had them in his Q8. 2 sets out of 6 had issues, Robin at RHaas stood behind everything and replaced full sets if even just 1 of the 4 had an issue. Now this was like 4 years ago. RHass took all this feed back and came back out with the new billet based mounts.
The new sets now with the billet bases have tons more contact area and are truly bombproof and still carry the life time replacement warranty. No issues on these new style.
701 came out A few sets got into our group. Set in an Aquabot lasted 1 ride. Then they were replaced and the same thing happened. Then 1 set the serts all just pulled out. So we where at 100% fail rate for the 701 mounts we saw. After a few freeride events and hearing people having the same issuses with the 701 mounts. We just got away from them. I have heard they were on their 4th version so I'm hoping they improved from a 1 ride life cycle.
Cold fission. Now I know others have had issues but I can say I never have. Other then feeling maybe alittle more vibration than other mounts. The cold fission we have ran have been great. No issues here.
The TC freeride guys had a Rickter they added a 5th and 6th mount to by adding wings to the stock plates and adding 2 more mounts on the rails. Very cool setup.
You nose a ski in the sand from 10ft there isn't much that won't break. But I will say I have seen skis hit HARD in the sand and the newest RHaas mounts still be perfect. And with a warranty policy of replacing the whole set if there's even an issue with just one! That's why we sell them on our site.
With the number of skis in the Rad Dudes group and the amount of riding we all do we end up being a very good test base.
So RHaas when he first started making mounts (still using stock bases) we got about 6 sets in our group. All different skis X2s, blasters, Superjets, SXRs, Keith had them in his Q8. 2 sets out of 6 had issues, Robin at RHaas stood behind everything and replaced full sets if even just 1 of the 4 had an issue. Now this was like 4 years ago. RHass took all this feed back and came back out with the new billet based mounts.
The new sets now with the billet bases have tons more contact area and are truly bombproof and still carry the life time replacement warranty. No issues on these new style.
701 came out A few sets got into our group. Set in an Aquabot lasted 1 ride. Then they were replaced and the same thing happened. Then 1 set the serts all just pulled out. So we where at 100% fail rate for the 701 mounts we saw. After a few freeride events and hearing people having the same issuses with the 701 mounts. We just got away from them. I have heard they were on their 4th version so I'm hoping they improved from a 1 ride life cycle.
Cold fission. Now I know others have had issues but I can say I never have. Other then feeling maybe alittle more vibration than other mounts. The cold fission we have ran have been great. No issues here.
The TC freeride guys had a Rickter they added a 5th and 6th mount to by adding wings to the stock plates and adding 2 more mounts on the rails. Very cool setup.
You nose a ski in the sand from 10ft there isn't much that won't break. But I will say I have seen skis hit HARD in the sand and the newest RHaas mounts still be perfect. And with a warranty policy of replacing the whole set if there's even an issue with just one! That's why we sell them on our site.
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"The TC freeride guys had a Rickter they added a 5th and 6th mount to by adding wings to the stock plates and adding 2 more mounts on the rails. Very cool setup."
Interesting!
So...riders running AM mounts....and treating their skis like they hate them.....I want to hear!
Wamiltons (I don't know what they are) hold up to many nose ins....here on our soft Lake Erie sand...and 1 or 2 in the brutally hard "sand" of Daytona if I remember right.
What about the ones with the video showing them being pulled WAY out? I forget who.
Interesting!
So...riders running AM mounts....and treating their skis like they hate them.....I want to hear!
Wamiltons (I don't know what they are) hold up to many nose ins....here on our soft Lake Erie sand...and 1 or 2 in the brutally hard "sand" of Daytona if I remember right.
What about the ones with the video showing them being pulled WAY out? I forget who.
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The tests are cool it pulls on them till they break. Its unreal how fast some compaines break and how long some last. But those videos and data have never been posted due to the sh*t storm that would come after that. And trust me I get it because even when facts are posted on these forums some how you will get a few guys that still want to spin it into a sh*t storm.
Put it this way if I was going to rank the mounts knowing what I know.
1 Rhaas
2 Cold fusion
3 Wamiltons
4 Stock/Stock couch
5 a wood 2x4
6 701 industries
Put it this way if I was going to rank the mounts knowing what I know.
1 Rhaas
2 Cold fusion
3 Wamiltons
4 Stock/Stock couch
5 a wood 2x4
6 701 industries
How did you suddenly make Wamiltons #3 after not even knowing about it in your first post?
I want to hear from the guys getting hurt and killing mounts. And I want to hear about the mounts they KNOW about....not ones they didn't know existed yet somehow end up #3 in a list of their favorites...lol...
I want to hear from the guys getting hurt and killing mounts. And I want to hear about the mounts they KNOW about....not ones they didn't know existed yet somehow end up #3 in a list of their favorites...lol...
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I didn't put monkey grip in the first list too. Wamiltons have been around I know a few guys who have ran them up here but never heard of any problems. and no i have never seen a test of the wamiltons, but i have also never seen a broken set like i have the others so thats why they made it over stock. I have seen a bunch of stock broke ones.
That being said TC still only runs stockers. I was in his ear about it after wave daze where we were swapping a new stocker in to replace his broke ones. But he likes stockers, and that dude beats stuff up
That being said TC still only runs stockers. I was in his ear about it after wave daze where we were swapping a new stocker in to replace his broke ones. But he likes stockers, and that dude beats stuff up
I tried staying out of these threads (the strut kit thread), but I feel I need to make a statement on this one as I did sell a few while I was partnered with 701 Ind.
Anyone that knows me knows what my opinion was on the strut kit thing and how much me and Mark had words over them. I no longer have a dog in the fight so those two companies can hash it out on their own.
As far as mounts....customers can post their experiences with them, I'm in no position to claim one way or the other on current mounts. One thing I will say, Dave did stand by all the ones that sold while I was with the company. If there were any issues they were replaced...even a few that were altered and should not have been replaced. He did implement changes in pursuit of making them better. Not sure where they are at since we parted ways in Jan.
My 2 cents that's probably only worth a penny.
Anyone that knows me knows what my opinion was on the strut kit thing and how much me and Mark had words over them. I no longer have a dog in the fight so those two companies can hash it out on their own.
As far as mounts....customers can post their experiences with them, I'm in no position to claim one way or the other on current mounts. One thing I will say, Dave did stand by all the ones that sold while I was with the company. If there were any issues they were replaced...even a few that were altered and should not have been replaced. He did implement changes in pursuit of making them better. Not sure where they are at since we parted ways in Jan.
My 2 cents that's probably only worth a penny.
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Chris not that you need to or should answer this question. But I'm sure people would like to know the% of sets you sold during that time that had issues.
But I understand if you don't want to say.
But I understand if you don't want to say.
naticen
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I think the big difference maker around here is riding salt and how well the mounts are coated/rinsed. It seems like ones that actually break are just flawed batches that break quick rather than wearing out and breaking the rubber/urethane later. When older mounts break it has always been adhesion issues for me at least.
I've gone through a few complete sets OEM SJ mounts and won't be using them anymore.
I broke some original non billet RHaas mounts on a Sunday, gave him a tracking number on Monday and had a new billet set Wednesday. Can't beat that. Haven't destroyed the new set although the washer that is glued to the top did come off of one. It's not part of the structure of the mount, just a spot for the bedplate to tighten against. I just stuck it back in when I bolted the motor back in. They also had heavy vibrations for the first 4-5 hours of use but now feel like OEM. Probably 100 hours/2 years on the first set and 70 hours/9 months on the new set.
I have a set of Cold Fusions that have about 20 hours or so and have taken tons of abuse and are still going strong. They definitely still vibrate a good bit more than OEM, but nothing crazy.
I've gone through a few complete sets OEM SJ mounts and won't be using them anymore.
I broke some original non billet RHaas mounts on a Sunday, gave him a tracking number on Monday and had a new billet set Wednesday. Can't beat that. Haven't destroyed the new set although the washer that is glued to the top did come off of one. It's not part of the structure of the mount, just a spot for the bedplate to tighten against. I just stuck it back in when I bolted the motor back in. They also had heavy vibrations for the first 4-5 hours of use but now feel like OEM. Probably 100 hours/2 years on the first set and 70 hours/9 months on the new set.
I have a set of Cold Fusions that have about 20 hours or so and have taken tons of abuse and are still going strong. They definitely still vibrate a good bit more than OEM, but nothing crazy.
naticen
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I'm not sure it matters how many of the earlier batches of 701's failed as they have updated them multiple times since. Much like I don't care one bit about my early RHaas mounts breaking early as they were warrantied easily and updated since. I would definitely have bought them for my new ski except that I got a deal on a set of brand new Cold Fusions.
It sounds like Wamilton's are the best though. Nobody has heard of them having any issues
It sounds like Wamilton's are the best though. Nobody has heard of them having any issues
I mean Wamiltons break too....but I just assumed these new fangled mounts have gotten better by now...I am not convinced they have at all. The true testers should be riders that nose into concrete!! Like Daytona.....or others with super hard sand??? (I don't know who else has sand like that but I know Daytona first hand! Brutal!)
naticen
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Our sand isn't soft but I have cracked the noses on 3 skis and they were all while in Daytona. I don't think anybody has that cement.
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