New X2 Up Trim

Location
Barrie, ON
What I found is that you have to be careful that you set the up trim position so that it clears the hull when steering from side to side. When the steering is straight you will get a little more trim than when turned to one side. If the nozzle hits the hull while steering it can put a lot of extra stress on the nozzle pivot.
 

dbrutherford

Parts Whore
Location
Fairmont, WV
Any interest in a co2 version, I plan to work on this over the winter that will go inside the hull. http://www.clippard.com/cylinders/Default.asp

We used a bunch of air cylinders at my last job. I showed another engineer there the Ski Clinic system and he said he could make one easily. I was going to estimate the force needed to move the nozzle under full load. I planned on using a small air tank somewhere inside the hull. That way you just pressurize it with a pump or air compressor before each ride. AAll you need is an air cylinder, relay, switch, air tank, hoses, and some brackets. I was all gun ho on doing this until I transfered jobs. It all but slipped my mind until Griffnasty posted in the old thread. Makes me wish I saved the video. All in all it couldn't be that hard. I should look back into it....
 
Location
Barrie, ON
Dave...Slap together a few vectors to figure out the force. I believe a stock 650 has about 600 lbs of thrust and some of our modded skis about 30-40% more. I think you will find it's pretty high.
My lever ratio is almost 1-1 and with the hand lever there is a little additional leverage and I can not even pull mine in at anything over 1/8 throttle.
It would be interesting to know.
 

dbrutherford

Parts Whore
Location
Fairmont, WV
Yeah that is all I was going to do. Just take the Cosine of the nozzle trim angle and multiple it by the force. Max thrust would be with an angle of 0 degrees. I think if you played with the angle from 0 to 45 degrees you could get a min and max range of thrust. I was just going to use 45 degrees and then multiply the force by 1.5 for a safety factor. You don't want to spec out a cylinder and it not to be powerful enough to throw the nozzle up! I think I looked at a cylinder with a 4 inch stroke, double action, and a spring return.

All in all, it isn't that complicated. But I was lazy and didn't feel like calculating anything. Key is how much volume of air do you need, and at what pressure. No since and building a system and you only get two times using the nozzle. I liek air over CO2 because it will be cheaper but I imagine the CO2 has higher pressures since it is a liquid in the tank, Who knows. Someone else make one, I will jsut use your system Doug until you make one :)
 
Location
Barrie, ON
Without doing any calculations I have a feeling at the very least the rods on the end of the cable will bend if activated at full thrust. I've bent mine last year with my modified stock setup. I think I'll let someone else try as well.
 

Crab

thanks darin...noswad!
Location
Seattle
Problem here is the push, my feeling is it needs to pull the cable to work right.The throw need only be 1.5 inches.
 
Location
hhh
pushing the cable seems to be the awkward point right now.

w/ all the skillz in here this should be no problem

we originally set x2addicts up to pull, but had problems finding a cable long enough. and the ride was to close so we had to focus on function at that point and just make it work with the stock setup. it will get changed in the future im sure. the hull is ready and willing ;)
 

Crab

thanks darin...noswad!
Location
Seattle
My guess is 200 pounds of force would hold it fine, but may have to be activated off throttle.
 
Well after using the bejesus out of my trim, I noticed a couple days ago the trim rod was bending. I caught it before it snapped, but it's not far.
I should have re-enforced it like Shawn and I talked about with some small stainless tubing.:banghead:
 

cattledog

EH TEAM RACING
Location
toronto canada
i am using x2 guys trim and it works great , we have had some good waves up north and it sure makes the ski jump waves much easier, i like using the trim when slashing thru waves
 

WFO Speedracer

A lifetime ban is like a lifetime warranty !
Location
Alabama
I have to interject a stupid question here,what do you guys use the trim for exactly,I have the modded stock trim and on flat water I have very little use for it,is it mainly a surf mod?
 
Location
Barrie, ON
On flat water I use it to drop the rear end down to make a larger setup wake. Also when hitting any type of wake it really helps getting the front end out of the water. I use it less in the surf as it has a tendency to flip me over to far and land upside down. (Remember our may long weekend ride cattledog). With no effort I completly landed upside down. I truely believe a back flip will be possible if I tried but I'm having trouble getting out in the right waves and having the guts.
 

3wheelerdude

Talk less, Ride more!
Location
Ontario Canada
i am using x2 guys trim and it works great , we have had some good waves up north and it sure makes the ski jump waves much easier, i like using the trim when slashing thru waves

Hey Mario, how were the waves on Sunday afternoon. We left around 1pm, and you were just pulling IN I think. But the wind had just picked up and I was wondering if we missed out on some good waves.

Anyway, was nice seeing you again.
 

cattledog

EH TEAM RACING
Location
toronto canada
Hey Mario, how were the waves on Sunday afternoon. We left around 1pm, and you were just pulling IN I think. But the wind had just picked up and I was wondering if we missed out on some good waves.

Anyway, was nice seeing you again.
THE WAVES WERE REAL BIG BY 5 O CLOCK AND ALL NEXT DAY I WAS LOOKING FOR YOU GUYS NEXT TIME HANG OUT A BIT LONGER
 
Top Bottom