Tim,Ive been running 3 inch risor bars at a little more than a 45 deg angle,they are sweet for keeping the pole further down in surfstyle,when the pole is up the the angle changes to very near 90 deg and the pole is short,with re intrys when the pole is all the way down and your hanging off the back to keep the nose up the bars are at 30 deg and give you a couple extra inches back and help prevent nose dives. I love this setup,but its very hard to find decent 3/8s bars that have a rise with no sweep back.I had to do some bending on mine,there is no room for trim and the start/stop together on the left side.............but if someone made some 3/8s bars for this purpose with a tighter risor bend and more straight bar sec in back of the grip.........I think they would sell very well...hint hint