Newbie on a Rickter Carbon Core XFS Dasa 1000cc

[hugebass]

What do I need to know? Attack me. Encourage me. I can take whatever.

Background: never ridden before. I’m athletic. Sit downs for years. I wanted to try standup. I bought a brand new SJ stock and it was a let down. I wanted more power. I wanted to 360/Flip. I only ride flat water. I wanna learn to trick. I also ride about 2mi to a sandy beach back end of Canyon Lake AZ and chill with my homies.

So, what am I going to get from this machine? What will I need to know??!! Educate me.

Taylor Curtis at TC Freeride is building my ski as we speak.

 

[Seas2699]

First your gonna want to get a backpack or make sure your tray is hella wide. Then find a set of giant balls. Have them on your person at all times. Now what your gonna want to do is grab throttle and hope those balls do there job. Hahaha just messing with yy man. It’s gonna be a big difference with throttle control compared to a stock super jet. It’s gonna take some time to get used to that power.


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[FlyinRyan324]

You’ll have a lot of fun!
Don’t let go. Usually people hurt themselves when they let go upside down.
Learn a 180 slide - to backflip first (in regards to doing a backflip). It’s the easiest way.
Also, until your ski is built, get out every day and work on setup wakes with your superjet. It’ll use less gas and you’ll understand how the waves form together. Setup wakes are crucial to your success as a Flatwater freestyler. Experiment with an “L”, “U”, “V”, “C” shape wake. See what they all do differently than each other. See what happens when you go faster/slower making that setup wake. See what happens when you go farther out before you turn back to your setup wake.
Lots that u can work on right now before you get your Freestyle ski (and when you get it). Don’t get frustrated. I’ve been riding for over a decade and still make poopty setup wakes from time to time.

 

[iQRTurbo]

Get some time on your ski getting used to riding/sliding around with your feet locked in footholds, sounds basic enough but it is different than being able to move around in the tray. Once you get stable and comfortable being able to 180 slide and ride away consistently move to small 180 hops and again get consistent at riding away. It will lay the groundwork for everything to come. After that, If you have the opportunity to ride with someone who is a skilled flatwater freestyle have them show/critique techniques right away before you develop bad habits that become hard to break. Easier to learn right the first time. Get used to going upside down as Ryan suggested by flipping out of a 180 slide, good advice to get the feeling without the complexity of building and timing a setup wake. While your learning, Get a good full face helmet to protect your grill, I’ve seen them get messed up quick. A good set of water ski gloves are a must too so you can keep the death grip on the bars. I like the Radar brand with BOA lacing on the backside to get on quick and keep them tight.
Have fun, lots to be had on a powerful flatwater ski.

 

[hugebass]

...Get a good full face helmet to protect your grill, I’ve seen them get messed up quick. A good set of water ski gloves are a must too so you can keep the death grip on the bars. I like the Radar brand with BOA lacing on the backside to get on quick and keep them tight.
Have fun, lots to be had on a powerful flatwater ski.

I’m in on the gloves. Those look like they will hold up nicely. The water-ski style curved fingers are excellent. I’ve had a pair similar and they make a difference.

Helmet … any brand recommendations there? I’ve been on the fence about it but I know I don’t want my face smashed.

 

[hugebass]

You’ll have a lot of fun!
Don’t let go. Usually people hurt themselves when they let go upside down.
Learn a 180 slide - to backflip first (in regards to doing a backflip). It’s the easiest way.
Also, until your ski is built, get out every day and work on setup wakes with your superjet. It’ll use less gas and you’ll understand how the waves form together. Setup wakes are crucial to your success as a Flatwater freestyler. Experiment with an “L”, “U”, “V”, “C” shape wake. See what they all do differently than each other. See what happens when you go faster/slower making that setup wake. See what happens when you go farther out before you turn back to your setup wake.
Lots that u can work on right now before you get your Freestyle ski (and when you get it). Don’t get frustrated. I’ve been riding for over a decade and still make poopty setup wakes from time to time.

I will pay attention to the advice. Thank you. Is there more to read somewhere about the L-U-V-C wake setups and how to make them and what to expect from them?

 

[TheBuzzard]

you are going to find out sooner than later that that 1000cc motor isn't enough power

 

[Harbor]

Some set up wake info here

http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?thre...w-to-go-from-newb-to-flipping-machine.139287/

 

[hugebass]

you are going to find out sooner than later that that 1000cc motor isn't enough power

I had this discussion with Taylor at length. It’s comimg down to cost for me which is also why I’m sticking with the 155 pump. This setup, as basic as it is, costs huge money. We came to the conclusion that based on my budget and current skill set, this ski would be a killer starting point. I’m 5’6 155lbs and med build. That should help me I hope to get more out of that 1000cc than if I were 6’0 225.

 

[FlyinRyan324]

I’m in on the gloves. Those look like they will hold up nicely. The water-ski style curved fingers are excellent. I’ve had a pair similar and they make a difference.

Helmet … any brand recommendations there? I’ve been on the fence about it but I know I don’t want my face smashed.

Any motocross helmet will do it. I use a cheap $30 helmet I got from an auction. I’ve also now been enjoying a lacrosse helmet, as that fully protects the face when I’m learning new tricks.
I definitely recommend a full face helmet of some sort while you’re learning.
If you want to get something nicer, Fly Racing makes some real nice and light helmets. I think they’re in the range of $60-120 if memory serves me right. They’re in the WPS watercraft catalog. Any local Powersports dealer oughta be able to get you one.

 

[FlyinRyan324]

I had this discussion with Taylor at length. It’s comimg down to cost for me which is also why I’m sticking with the 155 pump. This setup, as basic as it is, costs huge money. We came to the conclusion that based on my budget and current skill set, this ski would be a killer starting point. I’m 5’6 155lbs and med build. That should help me I hope to get more out of that 1000cc than if I were 6’0 225.

Yes and no. This will be plenty of power for you. After a year or 2, you’ll *want* more power. We all always want more power. But in reality, 1000cc is probably good for this stage. The more power, the easier it is to flip. So that’ll help. Just make sure you don’t develop bad habits with all this power.

 

[Big Kahuna]

you are going to find out sooner than later that that 1000cc motor isn't enough power

Tell that to Doberstein, Hasan and Sylvain who all went pro after last years AM Comp and damn near kicked the Pros's asses with 900cc motors........ 1000cc is more than enough. This is not Gomesz, Stone, Jace Forrest, Daniel Martin................. This is a rookie..

 

[TheBuzzard]

this 1000cc setup does not even come close to being equal to the power of the comp 900cc setups that are being used. I know TC built skis are huge money and if this is what was affordable, that's a legit reason for getting it, but its still not enough power to be doing what we all really want to be doing. and that's riding just like the pros!

 

[hugebass]

...This is not Gomesz, Stone, Jace Forrest, Daniel Martin................. This is a rookie..

I'm not even worthy of being called a rookie.

I dropped 17K on two new SJ's for me and wife 3 weeks ago. I had never ridden before not one time in my life. I took it to the lake on a maiden cruise and picked up riding in about 15 minutes. By the end of the day I was setting up my own wakes to jump. I got frustrated with it because I wanted more out of it and realized if I wanted to trick, this wasn't going to be the ski to do it. To date in my life, I have only 2 rides and 2 tanks of gas under my belt.

The TC Freeride Rickter is going to kick my ass. If the setup isn't good enough for me and I realize that quickly, I won't have any choice but to enjoy it for what it can give me. It took a lot of balls for me to go to my wife the 1st day out on the SJ's and tell her I hated the ski and wanted to buy a $25K Custom Rickter. I bought it, and she took one of my nuts. I only got one left and that's the one I'll have to use to learn how to ride the damn thing.

Someday you can call me a rookie. Right now I'm just a dreamy freestyle wannabe. I gotta earn my way to the fancy title of “Rookie”

 

[Harbor]

I'm not even worthy of being called a rookie.

I dropped 17K on two new SJ's for me and wife 3 weeks ago. I had never ridden before not one time in my life. I took it to the lake on a maiden cruise and picked up riding in about 15 minutes. By the end of the day I was setting up my own wakes to jump. I got frustrated with it because I wanted more out of it and realized if I wanted to trick, this wasn't going to be the ski to do it. To date in my life, I have only 2 rides and 2 tanks of gas under my belt.

The TC Freeride Rickter is going to kick my ass. If the setup isn't good enough for me and I realize that quickly, I won't have any choice but to enjoy it for what it can give me. It took a lot of balls for me to go to my wife the 1st day out on the SJ's and tell her I hated the ski and wanted to buy a $25K Custom Rickter. I bought it, and she took one of my nuts. I only got one left and that's the one I'll have to use to learn how to ride the damn thing.

Someday you can call me a rookie. Right now I'm just a dreamy freestyle wannabe. I gotta earn my way out of that.

Well I commend you! How you got from a new SJ to TC and rickter and join the X in 3 weeks is beyond me.

I bought a used sx650 then a used 96 limited SJ and rode and wrenched fir 11 years before finding out about the X and people doing tricks on stand ups. Oh well, Iam a little behind lol

 

[Half flip95]

7 gallons of gas into it... F this I need a carbon ski with a stroker and billet power valve cylinder.

that's pretty hilarious, im sure someone will get a great deal on your ski next year

 

[E350]

@hugebass: Would you please come back often and share your experience(s)? I, with no doubt many others, dream of buying a Rickter Edge FR with a DASA 1000 (for me not as a flipper but as a boat wake and ocean surf ski), but cannot justify the money (at least until my skills improve and I see if my knees improve after upcoming stem cell injections …).

I don't know about the 2008+ SJ hull, but as for the 1994 SJ hull either I don't have the skills for it or at 204 lbs. I weigh too much for it, but I don't like the hull. I love the hull on the X2, I think because it is wide. I have a love hate relationship with the 1993 550sx hull , but I have decided it is too narrow for me and I over weight the tray.

So, I for one, say: GoodOnYa'M8!!! Go for it!

But don't fear to share your embarrassments along with your accomplishments here. It's only fair.

I, and no doubt many others, will have to live vicariously through you at least for a little while longer.

And with apologies to all you experts out there, a first timer's Rickter newbie experience will in some ways be more enlightening.

 

[hugebass]

7 gallons of gas into it... F this I need a carbon ski with a stroker and billet power valve cylinder. that's pretty hilarious, im sure someone will get a great deal on your ski next year

Ski already sold! Took a small loss off MSRP and a few small upgrades (handle pole spring, bars, grips) but buying new from a dealer I expect it when I drive out of the parking lot. Tanner Thomas and I spoke on the phone a lot 3 weeks ago when I reached out to him from his website. He put me in touch with Taylor Curtis and we spoke a lot as well. Those guys were nothing but class to a small time dreamer like me -- they helped me very much understand what I'd get from the SJ after realizing what I wanted to accomplish. What I learned was *not* to dump money into upgrading the 701, then later try to stuff it's motor in a Rickter hull only to realize down the road I wasted my money in regret. To do what I wanted to do, my only option was to donate my left nut and write a check but I certainly never felt pressured. In the long run, I think I'll save money because I didn't spend my way up to a plethora of upgrades to motors and hulls that wouldn't ever give me the end result.

 

[Harbor]

Ski already sold! Took a small loss off MSRP and a few small upgrades (handle pole spring, bars, grips) but buying new from a dealer I expect it when I drive out of the parking lot. Tanner Thomas and I spoke on the phone a lot 3 weeks ago when I reached out to him from his website. He put me in touch with Taylor Curtis and we spoke a lot as well. Those guys were nothing but class to a small time dreamer like me -- they helped me very much understand what I'd get from the SJ after realizing what I wanted to accomplish. What I leanred was *not* to upgrade it and not put it's motor in a Rickter hull. To do what I wanted to do, my only option was to donate my left nut and write a check but I certainly never felt pressured. In the long run, I think I'll save money because I didn't spend my way up to a plethora of upgrades to motors and hulls that wouldn't ever give me the end result.

He meant the new ski your having built

 

[hugebass]

He meant the new ski your having built

Oh, that would suck. I sure hope I'm not in that position. I'd rather lose more weight; get myself to a buck 20 and see if that makes a diff.