chriselmore_1
high on resin
- Location
- san jose ca
dude... the roll at 3:25 on 227s vid was huge...
Not enough rotation (Back Flips)
- Thread starter 227
- Start date
- Location
- Texas
I may have to try a flip once I get my SuperSquareNose done up. Seeing you land perfectly upside down cracks me up. My biggest fear in the water are back busters, dam I hate back busters/belly flops. Looks like I'll be back on the water this winter so I will have a wet suit to help with that... I may actually do one.
- Location
- Delray Beach, FL
Why do some barrel rolls end up nose high like a rocket at 0:09 and some nose down like on an axis? Never understood this
- Location
- Delray Beach, FL
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- Location
- Muskegon Michigan
Tipafew We do get rollers like that on lake Michigan, in the fall around Sept-Oct.
- Location
- clark lake, MI
He knows he is out there every time I go!
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- Location
- Washington
Although you need to hit the wave a tiny bit later, the real deal is that you must be throwing your weight back and squatting right at the mid point of the face till you leave the lip.
to make this really effective approach the wave with the pole up high (like chest height) while leaning forward into it, then right in the Pit of that bitch throw your weight back and squat like your taking a dump on the pump cone. once off the wave you can relax and stand back up.
in your video i would have to say you look too stiff. lol relax and use what i stated above.
to make this really effective approach the wave with the pole up high (like chest height) while leaning forward into it, then right in the Pit of that bitch throw your weight back and squat like your taking a dump on the pump cone. once off the wave you can relax and stand back up.
in your video i would have to say you look too stiff. lol relax and use what i stated above.
So I know this thread is old, but I've got two questions that I'm sure anyone who rides like this can answer:
1. I've seen tons of videos of flips, and when people pancake, or F*** up, how deep is that water? it looks like you're pretty close in, and the ski is probably anywhere from 2-300+ lbs depending on make/model and fuel. so, are you almost always hitting bottom, especially with the ski falling on you? obviously depths are always different, but as a rule of thumb, are you wanting to be in 4-5 foot of surf? more, less? If the waves are starting to break, its got to be pretty close to shore, no?
2. whether its a flip, barrel roll, or even just some sick hangtime, when you land almost vertical with the ski, like in a tail stand, how are you keeping balance on the ski where you can then straighten it out to ride out again? like in this video, how does this guy A. not fall back, B. the ski not flip up and over, especially since its not being gassed at open throttle?
just a newb here trying to learn this machine!
1. I've seen tons of videos of flips, and when people pancake, or F*** up, how deep is that water? it looks like you're pretty close in, and the ski is probably anywhere from 2-300+ lbs depending on make/model and fuel. so, are you almost always hitting bottom, especially with the ski falling on you? obviously depths are always different, but as a rule of thumb, are you wanting to be in 4-5 foot of surf? more, less? If the waves are starting to break, its got to be pretty close to shore, no?
2. whether its a flip, barrel roll, or even just some sick hangtime, when you land almost vertical with the ski, like in a tail stand, how are you keeping balance on the ski where you can then straighten it out to ride out again? like in this video, how does this guy A. not fall back, B. the ski not flip up and over, especially since its not being gassed at open throttle?
just a newb here trying to learn this machine!
- Location
- Washington
#1 Well I'd have to say the deeper the better, but the further out you go the bigger and scarier the waves can get when they are curling. the goal seems to be to get as far out as you can that day where the surf still has a barrel lip off the tip of it. If you are newer to flipping like i am, some times you can spend half a tank of gas just trying to find the perfect convincing wave face at the right time in the right place. If you have a steeper beach, this can bring the best of both worlds in closer to shore. basically if you could do a very nose in large nose stab and not hit the sea floor then you should be good with any flip.
#2 Also, what most of us seem to do is when you are at that tipping point on your ski, back off the throttle slightly and quickly dab a leg as deep as you can in the water as if you are shooting your leg out of the jet pump or trying to touch the bottom with your tippy toe real quick, the nose of the ski should kind of fall forward again.
now go get PITTED
@Bryan.wells see, I would have NEVER have known to do that with the foot and tippy toe. When I'm doing anything less than lets say 5mph, it feels like it wants to shoot up straight in the air then topple. I guess its a matter of just putting more hours in and getting comfortable with it. I guess weight also plays a big factor in this. I just sold my HX and this is my first Standup ever, wasn't too familiar with hull sizes, etc.. so I bought this 650 sx bc it was in excellent shape, and my first day out, I kinda got the feeling that maybe I'm too big for this ski, as after I bought it, I've seen people on the forums talking about speed and etc, and a lot of the people who owned 650's are like 150-160 lbs.... I'm 5'11 and I weighed in at a low for me 201 lbs. Not fat, just thick dense bone I'd say. I think I saw in the manual that like 250 is top weight for these.. may have even been 220 (?)...Everyone is complaining about how the 2017 kawi sxr is like 500lbs and a foot longer than traditional hulls, but im thinking that would be a better size ski for me.
What do you think? Am I on the larger side for this 89 650sx?
Thanks!
What do you think? Am I on the larger side for this 89 650sx?
Thanks!
- Location
- Washington
I just don't know about size as far as I am concerned anyone up to 300lbs could probably get out of the water on any ski but maybe a 440. But it just becomes a question of is that enough to make you happy.
- Location
- west mi (Muskegon)
can this be done on a 550 with the right wave???
- Location
- South Africa
A good rule of thumb is to say the height of a wave about to break is about the depth the water.
I learnt BF on a stock SJ with footholds.
Old thread but he is a little early for the stock hull.
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I learnt BF on a stock SJ with footholds.
Old thread but he is a little early for the stock hull.
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- Location
- Connecticut
Hey guys, I will jack this thread to avoid starting a new one. I am under rotating on my boat wake flips. I have seen videos of people putting zero effort into their first attempts, barely snaping their head back, yet getting further around than my attempts. I am trying my best to get that proper form. Lean way back, down low as you go up the wake, then snap your head back and straighten your legs.
You can see in the images that I am starting to straighten my legs a little before leaving the wake. Maybe that is the issue? Maybe I am starting the whole process too early? Thanks!
PS: I have videos but they won't upload.
You can see in the images that I am starting to straighten my legs a little before leaving the wake. Maybe that is the issue? Maybe I am starting the whole process too early? Thanks!
PS: I have videos but they won't upload.
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Jcary85
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- Location
- Glenmoore pa
Are you pulling trim? Img 1217 looks like you are pushing through the wake. Maybe you are going too fast?
- Location
- Connecticut
I am pulling trim. I noticed that as well. I noticed that most people are able to get their nose totally clear of the wake. Maybe the wake is too steep? The boat is going 12mph, and I feel like I'm not going too fast. I am going fast enough to be in the mid range power. Maybe you are right!
hornedogg79
dodgin' bass boats
Don't lean back! People on here always say lean back and hit the throttle but that's terrible advice.. As you approach the wake, time the pre-hop and push the nose of your ski down into the troff. That's the most important step and starts rotation. To do this you have to be close to your handlebars. Not pulling with yo azz hanging off the back. As you hit the throttle, dip your head down forward looking at your feet as you leave the water. Once in the air throw head back and yank bars. Watch lee stone do a double. Head dips forward first everytime.
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- Connecticut
Thank you for the advice! That will be hard to commit to since it is counter intuitive lol.
In this image, it looks like Lee is leaning back with his butt out, but I is much later than I am doing. Right before this, he does lean forward into the troff, like you said.
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Jcary85
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+1 - thats a really good point about the pre-hop. Make sure you don't pre-hop too big . Just a little blip before you go into the trough, pull trim while you are off throttle after the pre-hop and the ski should be at a much steeper angle when you come off the wake.