Oil Question(s) 2W Yamalube VS. TC-W3 (Kawachem, Pennzoil, Super-Tech, Quicksilver)

[Yamer-Jammer]

All I have been able to find on what oil to run, is peoples opinions. Does anyone have any factual data as to how these oil brands differ? Oil companies will only say they "have better additives". I have not found a way to confirm this... it is simply hearsay!

I have found that TC-W3 is a certification administered by the NMMA (National Marine Manufacturers Association). TC-W3 is an acronym for: Two, Cycle, Water-cooled, and the 3 stands for generation of formula. 3 is the most current formula rating.

Kawasaki PWC oil is TC-W3 rated as is Quicksilver, Pennzoil and Walmart's Super-Tech Outboard oil. Yamalube has no such rating, only a 2W label, and is the more expensive of the OEM oil brands.

I know a lot of Super Jet riders that run the KawaChem oil at $20 a gallon VS. the Yamalube at $40 a gallon. Their justification for this was that KawaChem is TC-W3 certified. My argument would be: So is Pennzoil and the Walmart brand... Why pay more for KawaChem, simply because it has kawasaki's name or endorsement? Is this a marketing ploy? :thinkerg:

If anyone is interested, here is the website for TC-W3 rated oils http://www.nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/

I am running a round nose SJ with 185 compression and mild mods... "She's Stock"

 

[kevbo]

Any TCW3 much over $10/gal is a rip-off.

 

[Tyler Zane]

my family has ran quicksilver in there boats since the beginning of time. thats what i use and what ill stick to.

 

[2XLR8]

Castrol GTX is like 4.50 a quart at Kragen Oriley, not that it is the best oil for your new car but putting walmart brand or Kragen oil in your new car is like putting 10.00 a gallon two stroke oil in your Superjet. I think the cheap walmart car oil is certified as well That doesn't mean any oil more expensive is a rip off. How many of you guys that run the cheapest oil in your watercraft run the cheapest oil in your car? Why the double standard.

 

[Patrick Star]

I ran Penzoil XLF for a few years with no issues. On a stock engine I wouldn't think twice about continued use of cheaper oil. But with this motor I'm going with now and bumped compression, I'm going Dominator all the way.

JMO

 

[Sospikey]

I run Quicksilver Premium (the "Dino" version, mineral) at 1:32. This is what Chucky recommends for the X-scream engine packages. The reasoning behind this is that that oil will prolong cranklife and burn better/cleaner, according to Chucky. I just do as my engine builder tells me to...

 

[Tyler Zane]

I run Quicksilver Premium (the "Dino" version, mineral) at 1:32. This is what Chucky recommends for the X-scream engine packages. The reasoning behind this is that that oil will prolong cranklife and burn better/cleaner, according to Chucky. I just do as my engine builder tells me to...

32:1 seems really rich, does it smoke alot? if all goes as planed i should be getting xscream to do some work to my sj

 

[Sospikey]

32:1 seems really rich, does it smoke alot? if all goes as planed i should be getting xscream to do some work to my sj

Actually; no. I thought it would, but Chucky said " it will sputter and make a mess on the outside of the exhaust outlet, but your crank will thank you." It doesn't smell much either, actually.

 

[Big Kahuna]

The higher the performance motor, the more oil you need. That is theory. you are creating a whole lot more heat faster and longer. More oil to help prolong crank, bearings and piston life.


But I know a Pro racer who runs the Amsoil 100:1 oil at about 75-80:1 with no issues on his S.S. / Open / GP race ski's.

 

[chriselmore_1]

Castrol GTX is like 4.50 a quart at Kragen Oriley, not that it is the best oil for your new car but putting walmart brand or Kragen oil in your new car is like putting 10.00 a gallon two stroke oil in your Superjet. I think the cheap walmart car oil is certified as well That doesn't mean any oil more expensive is a rip off. How many of you guys that run the cheapest oil in your watercraft run the cheapest oil in your car? Why the double standard.

a buddy i ride with runs 14$ walmart oil in his dasa 1000 10 mill with ZERO problems and hes bean runnin it for a while

 

[2XLR8]

I don't get it. If you have enough money to buy an expensive engine and then you run the chepest oil. I see that the oil ratio has a lot to do with the confidence you have in your oil. When I see tuners recomending 32 to 1 it does not look like they have enough confidence in the oil. I would rather run a top oil at 50 to 1 than a cheap oil at 32 to 1

 

[FlightPlanDan]

I don't get it. If you have enough money to buy an expensive engine and then you run the chepest oil. I see that the oil ratio has a lot to do with the confidence you have in your oil. When I see tuners recomending 32 to 1 it does not look like they have enough confidence in the oil. I would rather run a top oil at 50 to 1 than a cheap oil at 32 to 1

I think you've missed the point.
If you have an x-scream 1000, that motor needs a 32:1 mix because it is brutal both temp and work produced.
A 701, stock, will do fine at 50:1
Increase compression with a head, for example, increase oil. maybe 40:1

I would NEVER use walmart oil....again. I wasted a crank in a nice 550 (back in the day) using it. I'm sure the oil was the culprit.
In defense of the previous post...maybe the quantity of oil in a 32:1 mix makes walmart o.k. Don't know just guessing.

I use quicksilver "for extreme marine applications". I was happy to find that the price had dropped significantly last week. (at walmart) Under 20 bucks a gal.

I've been using it for years. My motor prblems, when I have them, are not oil related.
I'm not telling you what to use, but if I had kids, I wouldn't skimp on thier food.

 

[2XLR8]

Even if I had an engine of close to a liter making similar power to an X scream 1000 I would still use 50 to 1 of a very good oil. Adding more oil to an area that already has a film of oil is like taking 4 aspirins instead of 2 tylenols or caking the ben gay thicker and expecting it to work better than a proper coat. I don't think qucksilver is even up to par with super m let alone 927,amsoil, klotz castor or R50.

 

[Don 79 TA]

i had no problems when i used to run the quicksilver oil
Dad used to get me a case every season and it would last a while for me, and never a problem

with the high compressions i run now, i use the R50 syn oil and haven't had a problem
i also run 30:1

my one friend has ran his 650s and SJ with regular quicksilver at 25:1, of course that was an argument we had, he took the cup said 25:1 (twice is 50:1)
despite the fact i repeatedly showed him it's 25:1 per 2.5 gals, so two of them and five gals makes 25:1 not 50:1
his motors have always lasted and still hold awesome compression too, but yeah... sometimes smokes like a MOFO lol

i'd say if you are building a high HP stallion and holding it WOT and want it to live a while, a better quality oil wouldn't hurt, and if it makes you sleep better at night... go for it


these are the types of debates that will go on and on
just like people who use synthetic oil in a car and change it at less then 3k
guess it must be nice to just piss $$ away

 

[Big Kahuna]

Even if I had an engine of close to a liter making similar power to an X scream 1000 I would still use 50 to 1 of a very good oil. Adding more oil to an area that already has a film of oil is like taking 4 aspirins instead of 2 tylenols or caking the ben gay thicker and expecting it to work better than a proper coat. I don't think qucksilver is even up to par with super m let alone 927,amsoil, klotz castor or R50.

When one of the best engine builders in the world tells you something, I would tend to listen to them. Alot of people call Quick Silver oil cheap. They have been making oils for ouboards for longer than jetski's have been around. They may also be cheaper in cost based on the pure volume they sell. Maxima, Klotz, Amsoil does not even begin to sell in amounts near what Quick Silver does. Hence the cheaper unit cost.

Answer me this, are you a chemical enginer / mechanical engineer?

There are reasons for different ratio's.

50:1 on stock motors
40:1 on mild to mild built motors
32:1 on monstor motors.

A better oil may not lubricate at a 50:1 ratio as well as a lesser oil at 32:1. The quality of oil does not mean that it will lubricate better at a different ratio given a specific lubrication requirements.

 

[Mark44]

Quick silver for me never an issue.

Mark44

 

[Big Kahuna]

After my Klotz runs out, I will probably end up going with something along those lines. I dont ride enough to need to stock 5-10 gallons of oil like I use to.

 

[tor*p*do]

Klotz in my freestyle ported SN motor at 18 oz to 5 gal per the builder
Quicksilver in the 750 & WR500 at 45:1
No issues

 

[Sidsol]

I have two race boats and I use Penzoil

 

[iptamenos]

Good thread

i had used Quicksilver about 1 year no problem good price
castrol i think is one of the best but high price

a friend use TARCO racing oil since 2000 in the same engine big bore 6 monts ago he rebuilt it everything was new cylinders ,crank everything
since then i use the same oil Tarco racing
i think that yamalube use the Tarco oil
same color , same smell after burn i don't know for sure