Freestyle opinoins on wdk1200

[Billybo455]

Anyone have one. How do they hit compared to xs1000? The reliability.

thanks!

 

[Waternut]

I've never owned either but The Ski Clinic is selling two WDK1200's on here and replacing them with XS1000's. That's gotta say something...

 

[stanton]

not enough power

lol

 

[RaisinBread]

pretty sure the 1200 is way more powerfull then an xscream 1000. The down side is finding parts for the 1200 and it does weigh alot more.

 

[Matt_E]

What makes you so sure?

 

[RaisinBread]

i've heard from someone who has had both...

 

[Big Kahuna]

i've heard from someone who has had both...

subjective at best. Does he have both setups optimized? Correct pump and prop combo? Carbs and Reedvalves. Ignition programed correctly?

You could have a degree of timing off or a degree too much or to less on the smaller motor and the larger one may be spot on and make you think it has more power when the smaller motor when set correctly may make the most power. Or vice versa........

Only way I would believe any motor shootout is if a respected builder takes the respected motors, sets them up, gets them dialed in and then you had at least 3 experienced riders ride each and every combo. Only then would you begin to have a true test.



But based on statistics, If the WDK1200 was that good someone like Lee Stone, Rok, Ant, Malone plus what ever other pro riders would be riding them. The only ones that use to use them were the ski clinic guys and they have swapped to the XScream powerplants.

 

[waxhead]

Im not sure, utilmately the 1200 is a better platform if you were trying to build a high hp engine. So in theory it should develop more power cc for cc.
However getting parts for the 1200 would be near impossible and this alone would make me go for the 701 ( 118) center engine.
And if i was doing that I would go for an xscream as there is less work to be done to make them work. Dasa seem to be of late a mixed bag as to what you actually get.

 

[sjetrider]

The 1200 undoubtably is capable of more power, its simple CC math there. And the T cases prolly couldnt flow enough transfer to optimize even the 1000cc motors.
Look at the difference in transfer area on both. The 1200 has SOOOOOOO much more but yet prolly not enough for 1200cc.
My suggestion would be about 1000cc 66E based motor, optimize transfer area and the BEEFY Crank. I bet you could ride a 1200cc 66e based motor and a 1000cc 66e based motor and tell very littl difference, same goes IMO for a an 865cc tmotor and a 1000T motor assuming both are built as reliable as possible and for long term use using the same bolt on components.


Just my opinion. You can only get so much out of these motors before you surpass the transfer capabilities. The advantage of the 66E based is SIMPLE HUGE BEEFY CRANK and huge transfer area, the disadvantages are also simple HUGE BEEFY HEAVY MOTOR (by near 25#).

Light or Stout are your choices in big motors. No one has figured out how to get both, Titanium cases, crank and cylinder on a 66E would be SWEET but who has that kinda change. LOL.

Just my opinion. The Xscreme 1000 makes GREAT POWER and so do properly set up 1200's I just think that getting all the cc's you can from bore and stroke isnt the way to go if your transfer area cannot be increase just as much percentage wise.

But I been wrong before.

 

[Billybo455]

thanks for all the opinions! keep them coming! i wish someone would chime in who's actually owned both.

 

[Waternut]

Just as basis for comparison... Simple math and numbers are not the end all so don't get hung up on numbers or displacement. The SJ 701 is more powerful and far more desired than the kawi 750 which by the standards of the SJ engine, has better reeds, a stroker crank, etc.

IMO, talk to both engine builders and see which guy you'd rather deal with. Regardless or whether you're buying new or used, if it's tough to get a hold of the engine builder, you can pretty much guarantee that your engine will be a big expensive paperweight when something breaks because both of those engines have a lot of custom parts to them.

 

[Big Kahuna]

the second gen 1200 is by fare more powerful and reliable then the xs1000 watch you tube of derick on the first gen with a rev hull and watch the world finals vide of the bob with xs power. Same rider the 1200 rev is hevier and goes much bigger then the lighter bob with xs. A billet crank is now an option on the 1200

for argument sake:

That is not really a comparison. Put both motors in the same hull. The Bob hull may not let you get as high as the Rev design will. You may could flip the bob faster and in a tighter radius due to less height.

 

[superwetbrett]

thanks for all the opinions! keep them coming! i wish someone would chime in who's actually owned both.

i think he would tell you to buy the wdk motor

 

[DK-Freestyle]

the second gen 1200 is by fare more powerful and reliable then the xs1000 watch you tube of derick on the first gen with a rev hull and watch the world finals vide of the bob with xs power. Same rider the 1200 rev is hevier and goes much bigger then the lighter bob with xs. A billet crank is now an option on the 1200

If you also watched, the video of the rev1200 was on flat water, and the bob 1000 was in heavy chop. Its kind of hard to do bigger tricks in the chop.

 

[chriselmore_1]

dk what's your pops opinion of the motors? I know he has more experience than most with th 1200s. And runnin the xs1000 now should be able to give a good review of both

 

[DK-Freestyle]

dk what's your pops opinion of the motors? I know he has more experience than most with th 1200s. And runnin the xs1000 now should be able to give a good review of both

He says the 1200 definitely hits harder, but the 1000 hits quicker. It took him a while to adapt to a less powerful motor, but once he did, he said that he was happy with the 1000

 

[Aircraftsalz]

Me and Lucas both have XS1000 motors running on avgas, 49 Fullspecs, TL, I ran a b pipe, lucas ran power factor...

Both of us run are skis hard, Lucas had 260 gal, I had 150-160 gal of fuel... Just pulled the motors apart before installing in the new hulls. Motors looked new inside, Crankworks called me and asked why I sent these cranks in for rebuild....

If your set up is tuned right, with all the correct componets there's no problems out of these 1000cc 10 mil motors....

 

[superwetbrett]

My 1ooo has less compression than my 7o1

 

[Idok]

one thing as far as the 1000's go..it depends on which one




are you wanting to compare Pat Bogart's comp boat, or generic 1000cc? because there is a BIG difference

 

[Aircraftsalz]

My 1ooo has less compression than my 7o1

Not sure about Lucas, but mines 215