Pipe in surf for Surfing?

[E350]

I got a chance to ride @wavewarrior 's pre-08 RN with a pipe a week ago. I could barely hold on. In my mind/lack of experience it is tuned to go from near idle to light speed. I could probably get used to it. And I could see how that kind of power could get me out of some "I am about to fall into the inside of a turn" situations, as well as launch into some serious air (BTW I still don't know how to jump...)

But my question is, for actual surfing. I mean the kind that @wydopen is doing in his signature. Or for yatch wake surfing, will the pipe work? Or will it actually just launch me off the wake when I am trying to do a lip cut back?

How would having a pipe help or hinder this type of surf riding:

 

[wydopen]

My motors pretty strong..LPW ported with a lightened flywheel, head and Bpipe. You get used to the power and it makes the ski feel lighter..without the ability to go from sliding up the face with the pump unloaded to fully hooked up and lunching the ski out of the water when the waves too steep to ride down you will end up pearling allot. Actually in that video I was having a problem with my throttle cable and was only getting 3/4 throttle. Was struggling without that big burst of power..obviously you can have too much power for that type of riding but a stock motor with more compression and a pipe definitely isn’t too much

 

[bird]

I got a chance to ride @wavewarrior 's pre-08 RN with a pipe a week ago. I could barely hold on. In my mind/lack of experience it is tuned to go from near idle to light speed. I could probably get used to it. And I could see how that kind of power could get me out of some "I am about to fall into the inside of a turn" situations, as well as launch into some serious air (BTW I still don't know how to jump...)

But my question is, for actual surfing. I mean the kind that @wydopen is doing in his signature. Or for yatch wake surfing, will the pipe work? Or will it actually just launch me off the wake when I am trying to do a lip cut back?

How would having a pipe help or hinder this type of surf riding:

Watching the video that's 3-4 foot surf. You don't need a pipe to do any of those tricks(Slash, re-entry, and stabs). A stock 550 can do all that.

A low end light switch pipe in the surf sounds awful. You need to be able to chase down waves and run the troughs. Surf is about control and reading waves. You don't need much horsepower to back flip or roll in surf, just amplitude.

Jump on a triple 1200 GP ski and then come back and talk to us about light switches.

 

[wydopen]

Watching the video that's 3-4 foot surf. You don't need a pipe to do any of those tricks(Slash, re-entry, and stabs). A stock 550 can do all that.

A low end light switch pipe in the surf sounds awful. You need to be able to chase down waves and run the troughs. Surf is about control and reading waves. You don't need much horsepower to back flip or roll in surf, just amplitude.

Jump on a triple 1200 GP ski and then come back and talk to us about light switches.

Disagree about a stock 550 doing that..stock superjet?..yes if you are a good rider..you need a decent motor/pump setup to be able to get hookup on top of the lip or in the foam..if the waves steep enough you can’t ride down it..have to be able to unweight the ski and air drop off the lip..doing a turn on the wave before it’s broken? Yea a 550 can do that..you can watch Watkins Mexico section in wavehunters. He’s on a fully built 550 and he’s having to carry twice the speed and bounce off the whitewater since he doesn’t have the low/mid power..don’t think many people have the skill for that..kind of like riding a 125 vs a 450..totally different style..I used to ride with this guy Curtis who rode a stock square. He was a really good surf rider but he had a totally different style since he didn’t have the power

kind of a crappy video but can see where the power comes in handy here. Definitely wouldn’t consider it light switch power but I could see him feeling that coming from a stock motor/pump fx1

 

[Quinc]

You can adjust the screws on the headpipe of the bpipe to adjust the power curve. However, after you burn a tank of gas through a ski you will have it figured out and able to control the throttle how you want it. Better too have too much power then not enough. Also come down to Pismo freeride in a few weeks and ride some surf!

 

[mthomps]

I'm no wydopen but have rode my share of big water on the great lakes. came from 300sx to bone stock 650 superjet then built it in to full on limited freeride ported b piped 718 with setback mag pump. All on the same heavy pig assed 91 beater SN. Took like 8 years being broke in my 20's.

Totally worth it. Quinc is right on the money. You get used to that "on the pipe feel" quickly. My ski hits on the upper bottom through the mid range where it accelerates like no stock superjet could. You'll be surprised what you can get out of instead of falling with that extra power

I'm a crappy rider and an even worse tuner, but even 80% of a piped and tricked out 701's potential is better than bone stock for aggressive riding

 

[Mobile Chernobyl]

I'm on a pre-08 with a big dry pipe currently (going to a mod b-pipe soon) - pipe + engine work and all that poop helps greatly for "surfing" the wake boat setup waves in the lakes around me - can't comment on this setup's handling in the ocean as I'm in Colorado lol. The extra power plus having a good pump+prop+grate setup let's you hook up at the top of the wave still and power down into the trough and back up again. You'll never get tired of a little more power on a superjet!

 

[SexPanther]

Tray time is everything. Ride your jetski until you can never be dethroned and you feel like you need more power. Then ride it some more after that. More power will definitely help you pop off the wave for re entries. I agree the pipe makes the ski feel lighter. My stock 17 was really planted and more power makes the feel more nimble in my opinion.
For big wave surfing.. I don’t think power is that big of a deal. In really big surf I spend more time idling and using bursts of power to tack. And getting down steep waves is really about getting your ski engaged in the wave and going down diagonally. Much the way a surf board operates.

 

[bored&stroked]

A good pipe is always worth it.

 

[surfn8]

Disagree about a stock 550 doing that..stock superjet?..yes if you are a good rider..you need a decent motor/pump setup to be able to get hookup on top of the lip or in the foam..if the waves steep enough you can’t ride down it..have to be able to unweight the ski and air drop off the lip..doing a turn on the wave before it’s broken? Yea a 550 can do that..you can watch Watkins Mexico section in wavehunters. He’s on a fully built 550 and he’s having to carry twice the speed and bounce off the whitewater since he doesn’t have the low/mid power..don’t think many people have the skill for that..kind of like riding a 125 vs a 450..totally different style..I used to ride with this guy Curtis who rode a stock square. He was a really good surf rider but he had a totally different style since he didn’t have the power

kind of a crappy video but can see where the power comes in handy here. Definitely wouldn’t consider it light switch power but I could see him feeling that coming from a stock motor/pump fx1

Sick video!!