300/440/550 piston questions

I'm rebuilding a 94 550sx reed motor. The JS550 motors are a single piston ring pistons. The reed 550sx has dual piston reed pistons. I cannot find any dual ring pistons. no one makes them anymore. Wisco does but I don't what to forged pistons that are more hassles. Only the single ring pistons. What does everyone think of using the single ring pistons in my 550sx. Since they interchangeable between the js550 and the 550sx motors.
 

Th3g3rm4n4t0r

Brawlin' n Flippin'
in all honesty coming from a machinist perspective. Forged pistons will last longer, take more of a beating than the standard cast pistons. Providing the bores are machined to proper clearances.

Forged wont break up if you have tuning issues like the cast ones - cast ones will break into small little pieces.

Why do u think all the big engine builders use forged pistons? They are better!
 
in all honesty coming from a machinist perspective. Forged pistons will last longer, take more of a beating than the standard cast pistons. Providing the bores are machined to proper clearances.

Forged wont break up if you have tuning issues like the cast ones - cast ones will break into small little pieces.

Why do u think all the big engine builders use forged pistons? They are better!

How about all the OEM manufacturers that use cast Pistons?
 

Th3g3rm4n4t0r

Brawlin' n Flippin'
Lol so we're gonna go down this debate to..

Do OEM manufacturers make 1100 twins, with high compression, stroker cranks etc.. that take extensive amounts of abuse? of course they can design the smaller motors with a cast piston as they wont take as much.

The forged piston will hold up to all of that a hell of a lot better without breaking into pieces. In the end i dont know of one big engine maker who doesnt use Wisceo forged because of this. You can control the expansion rate of a forged piston more than a cast as well. When you are having tuning issues your forged ones wont break or melt into small pieces due to the increased density of the forged..


Looked all this stuff up for you beyond what i said...


Forged pistons are mechanically shaped into a piston shape. They are hammered, pressed (forged) into a mold forming the piston in turn removing any possible porosity and also pushes the alloy grains together tighter than can be achieved by simple casting alone. The result is a much stronger material.

By utilizing state-of-the-art CNC machines, most manufacturers can maintain exact specifications and tolerances. This makes them structurally more durable. Forged pistons are well known in the racing and performance industry because of their ability to withstand more heat, higher RPMs, higher boost and higher temperatures. But forged pistons are not just for professional racers. Another advantage to a forged piston is that they can be individually made to any custom size or specification without the high cost of casting.

A cast shaped component means that the material has been melted and then poured into a mold that basically shapes the piston. The advantages are many, for example: a possibility to add other components like silicone, carbon, zinc and so on in order to gain certain properties. The aluminum itself doesn't build up inner tension as much. It is cheap. The density of the material doesn't increase which means it could be kept light.

There are disadvantages also, of course. The piston will be weaker in structure. It is often heavier since the manufacturer has to increase wall thickness in order to achieve sufficient strength. The heat expansion cannot be controlled and is therefore often not completely round since the piston pin requires some material on the inside. They are also produced in bulk with most manufacturers only producing sizes that are close to factory specifications. This also makes them more affordable.
 

Th3g3rm4n4t0r

Brawlin' n Flippin'
The biggest difference is they take a long long time to heat up and expand to the proper clearances. Wisco pistons are forged aluminum not cast aluminum like everything else.

Well would you go 5000 rpm as soon as you start it or let it warm up a bit like everybody else does as its common sense. You dont rev the piss out of your car on a cold winter day when its cold - dont do it on your ski either.
 
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