Super Jet Pole length

[mthomps]

I ran a stock pole. I broke it. A member @dta hooked me the hell up with another stock pole. I'm trying to find an explanation for the super short poles I have seen and hear about on here. I know that they help keep the nose down, but I have no problem keeping my nose down. What I mean is on flatwater boats (i don't own one) the pole always looks so short and the hull might be -5 superjet plus rocker on the rear and nose..plus different pole bracket placement...is there a proven ratio and system in place?

I'd hate to guess if/when I start to cut because its been rough just getting to ride this season.

I can keep the nose below my head (which I think looks cooler than nose way up) while jumping. The main reason though is because I can hook up and ride out faster. BUT I cannot figure out how to nose stab.

Is the short pole mainly to help with aerial turning? Because thats all I can't think of. Honestly I can hardly ride skis with short poles and most of my riding buds have them. I feel so uncomfortable with them....and they all nose stab. Is it just that I'm not used to it and in the long run its better to cut the pole dow?

And what would you say the ratio of the cut would be? Stock superjet hull length what do you prefer to run? (assuming stock pole mounting point)

Oh this is a square nose btw. Thanks guys.

 

[Jakobi86]

On my sn I broke the stock pole. Got a rn pole off here and when lined up with pivot holes, the rn pole is 9-10" shorter that a stock sn pole. The measurement I used for reference was from pivot to handlebar grip. Thought it was going to be way short for sure but once riding I got used to it and it's actually nice. I'm 6' tall so out if the water it's really a lean to grip the bars. In water though it's a different story. Ideally, I'd take that same pole but with 3-4" longer and feel this would be perfect for me and my ride style. My hull is stock length as well


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[Jakobi86]

One foot forward and one back in the tray helped a lot as well compared to both feet at back... Hope this helps


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[BruceSki]

For rec riding I prefer the grips to be even with the firewall/hood latch. That's the happy medium between too long and too short.

Stock sucks!

 

[mthomps]

For rec riding I prefer the grips to be even with the firewall/hood latch. That's the happy medium between too long and too short.

Stock sucks!

What would you say the "sweet spot" length of a pole would be for aggressive rec riding. I like going fast and turning a lot. Playing on boat wakes...when we get waves we are out there riding the beach break very hard. The pivot point of the boat changes in rough conditions and is exhausting with stock length pole. My friends have skis with poles so short they exhaust me just trying to ride them strait. I'm looking for that sweet spot without guessing...i guess...lol.

One foot forward and one back in the tray helped a lot as well compared to both feet at back... Hope this helps


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I cannot ride in footholds, I have to have a foot forward. Someday I will upgrade to a shortened RN pole.

Does the geometry of the RN set up on an SN change the feel of the boat?

 

[BruceSki]

Yes it does. The angle at the steering mount is different.

I don't know exact measurement. But here's one I just did. '14 SJ. Pole comes minus 2 already. I took out another 4. Makes the grips just about even with the firewall.

 

[mthomps]

Thanks @BruceSki you are such a huge help to me.

Is the different geometry something I will get used to when I switch over from these stock junk poles I will continue to break? I hope so because I really like the feel of my ski but I suppose I can get used to something else as well.

 

[BruceSki]

You'll switch over and never look back. A stock square pole is the worst feeling other than maybe a stock 650sx pole. Lol

Anything new feels weird the first ride or two. But there is a reason everyone puts a different pole on a square.

 

[mthomps]

thank you!

 

[Jakobi86]

If you got a stock rn pole, you can chop and chop until you hit your sweet spot... Maybe duct tape a bar or pipe on the pole where you think you might want the bars to be after shortenening just to get the initial feel of where to start with the shortening.

You'll get used to it just like you got used to being able to ride a stand up for the first time. Ride, ride, ride, rest and ride some more. It only gets easier...

 

[iangdesign]

I have a -2 AC pole on my SN and it sucks big time. I am 6'2" and like you ride one foot forward I am constantly in the back of the tray. I am switching to an AM hull next year so no need to cut up the pole.

I ride my buddies custom hulls and their poles are super short and I love it. As stated earlier...chop a little off your pole until your are comfortable with you stance.

 

[mthomps]

What about the - 2 AC pole dont you like? I was thinking about finding one of those when ready.

 

[BruceSki]

It's not nearly short enough for freeride. Great for racing.

 

[iangdesign]

What @BruceSki said...I like to rec ride and play around. It keeps me way to far back in the tray. If it was sitting at -5 or -6 it would be better. But I am not going to cut down the pole since I am moving to an AM hull next season.

 

[Quinc]

-6 with 0 degree bars on a -2.5" SJ and it is awesome.

 

[Dalton]

Shorter handlepole moves your body forward and closer to the center of mass (somewhere just behind the engine). Horizontal rotations will be quicker with your body over the center vs on the back edge of the ski.

With a minus 8 pole, minus 1.5 steering bracket, and straight-ish bars I always feel like I'm connected and in control of the ski. I can't even ride a stock squarenose anymore. It feels like the chinpad is always in my stomach and I want to be further forward. I do wish my handlepole was about an inch longer though, just so I don't have to hunch slightly being 6' 2" when I want to stand up and cruise.

A huge thing I noticed is that holding a stock length pole at waist height has the pole on a more horizontal angle to the nose where as my short pole is at a much steeper angle. This means pushing on a stock length pole pushes the nose forward and on a short pole it pushes the nose down. It changes the whole way the ski responds.