poll: better bang fer yer buck

[CRJ]

why change anything? why dont you blueprint your pump or bore your nozzle? improve water hookup

 

[stefan]

I voted ignition but go TL you need the extra timing when you get PFP, i agree with most Epic is a gambel i hade issues with the gen 1. I recal they hade test peopel for the hx3 only thing 1/3 reported back, i have ran 2 flame system with out issues

 

[Roseand]

Thinking about making a mid-season upgrade. I would either replace my enhancer with an hx3 or my b pipe with a rrp/pfp. With which upgrade will I see the most gain?

Currently have 5mm 809 with oem 44's, vf3's, bpipe, and enhancer.
Feel free to elaborate on why I should go one way or the other.

Dude you need to learn how to ride your ski first

 

[jo5hi3]

my epic has been trouble free, going on season #2. But its like total loss, all your powers and grounds need to be mint. Your stator needs to be in good shape also. I think the epic got a bad name with the gen 1 stuff, but the hx3 seems to be a much better unit.

 

[Quinc]

I just did a mid season swap from a b pipe to a rrp pipe and it is night and day difference.... I should have went pipe a long time ago.

What engine are you running?

 

[Lumpy]

why change anything? why dont you blueprint your pump or bore your nozzle? improve water hookup

I have 144mm solas mag with hooker 9/15 soon to be re pitched to 10/16 and a bored nozzle that's at 85mm. I may also try a stubby pump cone at some point.

 

[jason184]

I just did a mid season swap from a b pipe to a rrp pipe and it is night and day difference.... I should have went pipe a long time ago.

I did the same thing. RRP pipe completely kills a b-pipe in every way.

 

[CRJ]

I have 144mm solas mag with hooker 9/15 soon to be re pitched to 10/16 and a bored nozzle that's at 85mm. I may also try a stubby pump cone at some point.

stubby cone and a 11/17 or 12/17 would benefit you. Low pitch and a 5 mil 809 is a bad combination. I get you see more bottom end snap, but you loose the power quick up top in the power band and miss the motors potential, making you desire a pipe/ignition change. get that pump pushing some serious water up top.

 

[jo5hi3]

I have 144mm solas mag with hooker 9/15 soon to be re pitched to 10/16 and a bored nozzle that's at 85mm. I may also try a stubby pump cone at some point.

Here is going to be your main issue..... if you buy a pfp, a 10/16 will not work very well without a programmable ignition. Dry pipes don't have the grunt right off the bottom, which is where having more timing benefits you. They usually require a larger spread prop so the power is more linear. The rrp pipe is wet, so it can be tuned to any size motor with good results. You can inject a pfp but they stop making power earlier on if you do. So they all have their draw backs. It takes a total package, with all the right parts working together.

 

[Captain PegLeg]

What engine are you running?

Dasa 820cc +5mm cast cylinder, Cylinder modified for new style valves, dual 48 full specs.

 

[Captain PegLeg]

PFP will run much better with the HX3. Hard to pick one over the other. I’ve learned the hard way slow upgrades pc by pc is not the way to do it. Everything has to work together, are you planning on making any pump changes?


Heres how I think about it. Sell your bpipe before FP starts making them again. They are going for near $800 right now which is more than new. Sell the enhancer for $150-200 thats $1000 in the bag so go find $300 and get a used PFP for $1300ish. If you cant find a used one get a new epic b/c it will work with the bpipe just fine, and when a PFP comes up for sale you can jump on it. I’m always leery of used electronics especially with no warranty

$800?? mine went for mid 9's dude. That's why I swapped to rrp.

 

[Lumpy]

PFP will run much better with the HX3. Hard to pick one over the other. I’ve learned the hard way slow upgrades pc by pc is not the way to do it. Everything has to work together, are you planning on making any pump changes?


Heres how I think about it. Sell your bpipe before FP starts making them again. They are going for near $800 right now which is more than new. Sell the enhancer for $150-200 thats $1000 in the bag so go find $300 and get a used PFP for $1300ish. If you cant find a used one get a new epic b/c it will work with the bpipe just fine, and when a PFP comes up for sale you can jump on it. I’m always leery of used electronics especially with no warranty

If I pulled the trigger on both at once I reckon it would cost me around 1300 out of pocket assuming the garbage I have now sells right away. That's a little more than I was looking to spend at once. Like I said I have to sneak this kind of stuff under the radar. I also considered switching to an oem 155 pump (if my pump tunnel will allow. I haven't measured yet. My luck it wont) but I was looking at that for more of a winter project. It's sounding like pfp/rrp is going to be the way to go for now.

 

[rubbertoe]

I wasn't comparing MSD TL to the ATP product, we already know who wins that battle (what's in your Hurricane?)
My "bold statement" was to assist the OP and anyone else in making a decision on where to spend their hard earned money. I know I'm not the only one who saw the thread I referenced above.

Fiend, your my total "homie" ,but it bothers me when i read about ATP and there genuine efforts to offer a ignition product in a market that is lacking new products or growth ,i mean the enhancer is old technology lets face it .I am also aware that their first generation efforts had some issues ,but forward to there stuff today and i think they have worked things out ,I ran one personally and can say that it ran great like oem with charging ! ( after i cleaned up things on my end though IE: electrics )also offering a much better bang than an enhancer and certainly more than a big pipe with no timing . Alot of the problems come from a customer trying to use a newer technology ignition in say a 10 year old plus electrics system and not understanding that this may be where some of the issues may lie .sub par ignitions and their wiring ,you know .anyways as for lumpy trying to consider performance on a budget as @augustaf mentioned a hx3 purchase minus the sale of your enhancer would be a budget minded performance move that will improve your current set up for not so much $$ After this if you feel you need a more aggressive set up after this total loss/pfp/rrp is an option ,but know what your signing up for first so disappointment isn't the result .02 cent

 

[Jetfiend]

^I like you too!

Sounds like Lumpy is going to go all out anyway. Congrats man, have fun on your setup!

 

[cookn]

IMO anyone running solas mag should put in the stubby pump cone. Once I added mine and bored my turn nozzle to 88mm to work with your bored reduction it was night and day difference.

 

[Lumpy]

Update. I just hiked my skirt up and bought both a pfp and hx3. Working on getting the pfp dialed before I mess with the hx3.

 

[cookn]

I was running the exact same pump setup and I think you will be really happy if you add the pump cone. They should come with a few sizes for what you pay for them. I was amazed at what pump tuning can do for your overall setup.

 

[jo5hi3]

Update. I just hiked my skirt up and bought both a pfp and hx3. Working on getting the pfp dialed before I mess with the hx3.

The hx3 will help you with dialing the pipe in. Timing plays a big role.

 

[CRJ]

I was running the exact same pump setup and I think you will be really happy if you add the pump cone. They should come with a few sizes for what you pay for them. I was amazed at what pump tuning can do for your overall setup.

Its like running drag radials vs some 195 wide all seasons. HP wont get you anywhere without getting that power to the water, and its so often overlooked.

 

[Lumpy]

Currently have a concord 12/18 prop in front of a 144mm solas mag with standard solas pump cone and reduction nozzle bored to 85mm. A stubby cone is on my list of things to try, I just haven't purchased one yet.