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[Crab]

I too think the whole Bpipe thing is out of hand, unless I get one cheap I would certainly just go new. With that said, we have decided to run Riva freeride pipes as they can be had under $300 and make terrific power. Other parts seem to devalue fast, for instance a UMI pole bracket will fetch only around $100. Xmetal pole's seem to get 3/4 of their value back when sold, why?

 

[stanton]

well noone really wants a standard height bracket, figure if you going to upgrade why not get whats the best.
and thats a perfect example of supply and demand. you gotta sell for what its worth, not for what its worth to you, but what its worth to someone else.
if i could have sold my bike for another 800 dollars i would have gotten a new hood kit, but i sat around for months and noone bit my bait.

bty i couldnt be happier with my bracket, makes my ski feel solid.

 

[SUPERJET-113]

I too think the whole Bpipe thing is out of hand, unless I get one cheap I would certainly just go new. With that said, we have decided to run Riva freeride pipes as they can be had under $300 and make terrific power.

Crab, are you talking about the Riva red pipe? The cast one?

 

[Cross]

Crab, are you talking about the Riva red pipe? The cast one?

He is not running the cast one, it is the type 4 factory pipe style. They are very good pipes in the SJ.

 

[Crab]

well noone really wants a standard height bracket, figure if you going to upgrade why not get whats the best.
and thats a perfect example of supply and demand. you gotta sell for what its worth, not for what its worth to you, but what its worth to someone else.
if i could have sold my bike for another 800 dollars i would have gotten a new hood kit, but i sat around for months and noone bit my bait.

bty i couldnt be happier with my bracket, makes my ski feel solid.

That is one beefy SOB!!:Banane35: Cross knows where that piece came from, I just never got the chance to run it.

 

[Crab]

He is not running the cast one, it is the type 4 factory pipe style. They are very good pipes in the SJ.

What he said.

 

[FLY6584]

He is not running the cast one, it is the type 4 factory pipe style. They are very good pipes in the SJ.

If you look in this thread you will see a picture of the type 4 FP and the Riva Freeride Pipe. They are similar, but definitely different.

http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/22234&highlight=riva+freeride

I hate to say it, but I rode a ski with the Riva Freeride Pipe and it had absolutely no bottom end snap. Maybe the ski wasn't tuned properly, but I was not impressed.

 

[Gainera2582]

I have ridden a type 4 rn superjet and it hit real hard on the bottom and top. Its all in the tuning anyway.

 

[Crab]

I should have said riva type 4.

 

[Cross]

If you look in this thread you will see a picture of the type 4 FP and the Riva Freeride Pipe. They are similar, but definitely different.

http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/22234&highlight=riva+freeride

I hate to say it, but I rode a ski with the Riva Freeride Pipe and it had absolutely no bottom end snap. Maybe the ski wasn't tuned properly, but I was not impressed.

I was referring to the riva dry pipe. When Factory pipe came out with the Type 4 pipes there were three different versions- Blue chamber (Limited), Black chamber (High Rev) and the Riva stamped red manifold (basically the same camber as the black high rev).

Just like any other ski set up, it has to be tuned right in order to work.

 

[FL-cracker]

nobody take this personal(i may be guilty of this as well) but, this is one of the reasons progress of companies in this sport and this sport is so slow. A lot of people cheap out and buy used. e.g. The reason why nobody can get a B-pipe for cheaper than $700 new anymore is (not even dealers can't get cost on them anymore they're same price no matter who you go through) is because no one buys them new anymore. Just as an example and comparison, I go to a motocross race(one of the hundreds that happen every weekend around the country) and half the four-strokes there have brand new exhaust systems on them, a brand new exhaust for a four stroke runs anywhere between $700-$1300 and there is barely a market for used parts for bikes everyone buys new; and look how BIG motocross is.

Buy new and support your sport!

Motocross pipes take alot more more abuse then a pipe in a ski. Usually pipes on a MX bike are ran until they are dented to hell, then thrown in the garbage....

I think the market is very fair. If you think used cost to much, then buy brand new :bigok:.... easy for me to say, as I always sell good used parts for cheaper then going rate. :usa2:... not to mention I let people pay me after recieving the part, to be sure they are satisfied.

If you cant afford to buy good parts, you probably cant afford fuel to take the ski out anyways. :no:

 

[ANT]

Motocross pipes take alot more more abuse then a pipe in a ski. Usually pipes on a MX bike are ran until they are dented to hell, then thrown in the garbage....

I think the market is very fair. If you think used cost to much, then buy brand new :bigok:.... easy for me to say, as I always sell good used parts for cheaper then going rate. :usa2:... not to mention I let people pay me after recieving the part, to be sure they are satisfied.

If you cant afford to buy good parts, you probably cant afford fuel to take the ski out anyways. :no:

I wasn't stating anything about the quality or longevity of mx pipes, just that people constantly buy new and how that equivocates to the size of the industry. Besides, when the mx pipes are beat you can get them repaired for $40(not an exaggeration, it cost $40) . Thats about what you'll spend on gaskets, adjustment screws, and couplers for a B-pipe so the difference is negligible.

Like I said, buy new and support your sport. It will help this sport grow, garunteed.

 

[ANT]

If you look in this thread you will see a picture of the type 4 FP and the Riva Freeride Pipe. They are similar, but definitely different.

http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/22234&highlight=riva+freeride

I hate to say it, but I rode a ski with the Riva Freeride Pipe and it had absolutely no bottom end snap. Maybe the ski wasn't tuned properly, but I was not impressed.

the ski the rode must not have been tuned, the type 4/riva pipes have more hit off-idle than b-pipes.

 

[hangtime]

the ski the rode must not have been tuned, the type 4/riva pipes have more hit off-idle than b-pipes.

If they did everyone would be buying them instead of b pipes .:haha:

 

[ANT]

If they did everyone would be buying them instead of b pipes .:haha:

:haha:i guess you never rode a ski with one, think before you type. people dont buy them cause they arent as reliable.

 

[Matt_E]

Like I said, buy new and support your sport. It will help this sport grow, garunteed.

How is that?

The sport grows by having more people ride. I don't see how buying all new parts all the time helps more people get into it.

Sorry, but that makes no sense at all.
It will help the aftermarket parts companies, but that doesn't do squat for pulling new customers in.

 

[ANT]

How is that?

The sport grows by having more people ride. I don't see how buying all new parts all the time helps more people get into it.

Sorry, but that makes no sense at all.
It will help the aftermarket parts companies, but that doesn't do squat for pulling new customers in.

It makes perfect sense, a big part of the sport is the companies that make everything for it. Example, who is sponsoring the daytona freeride? Not you, Not me either. I never said that the only way it is gonna grow is by buyying new parts, but it is definetely a contributing factor.

 

[Matt_E]

Again please, how does spending more money with aftermarket companies make the sport bigger? :dunno:

(Getting more people to ride => sport grows)

 

[WaveDemon]

Take this blaster for an example(not calling it a POS by the way):

http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/28021

So the guy picks up a bone stock faded 94 blaster with a 61x that turns over for $700 and people think it's the deal of the century.

the reason that blaster was a deal is because he could turn around and sell it for more than he paid for it.

 

[Boris]

The way I see it is like this.
The market dictates prices and as long as there are people willing to pay, the prices will stay up. What may seam overpriced to you may be a bargain to someone who doesn't know any better.

Than you have times when 2 people are selling the same stuff. Guy #1 set his prices reasonable and sells out in a matter of minutes while guy #2 went for the moon and has to bump his thread over and over.

It's just a matter of knowing the value and waiting. My motor was built from used parts that I got here and I know that I didn't overpay at all.