Prop catches the wear ring..

Location
NorCal
I just built a oem 155 pump for my ski. When I put it all together the prop hits the wear ring in a particular spot. It's a brand new prop as well. Each blade hits this spot but with different tolerances. The first 2 blades will skim past and the 3rd blade damn near locks the pump up while turning by hand. I've been told it's my driveshaft but feel it would hit in various places around the ring if that was the case. Wear ring does not appear to be swelled. Has anyone had a similar problem before? The shaft is a new redone one from @Sasquachcrap


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DAG

Yes, my balls tickled from that landing
Location
Charlotte, NC
If it was the shaft it would have alot of clearance 180 degrees from where it's hitting realitive to 90 and 270 degrees. My money is on swollen wear ring, very common problem
 
Location
NorCal
Is it the plastic wear ring?

No it's the stainless one. I didn't check the run out on the shaft, I just assumed it was good coming from you and your good reputation. Like stated I felt if it was the shaft that it would be hitting multiple areas with the same blade. This hits all three blades in the same spot just different tolerances. Just tagged you more or less to see if you had any recommendations. When a ring swells can you tell with your naked eye or is it something that has to be measured?


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I don't see the shafts bend down at the prop. That is the thickest and most supported a part of the shaft with the bearings being so close there. If it's just barely touching mark that spot on the wear ring and use a flap disc to clearance it just a bit.
 
Location
NorCal
I don't see the shafts bend down at the prop. That is the thickest and most supported a part of the shaft with the bearings being so close there. If it's just barely touching mark that spot on the wear ring and use a flap disc to clearance it just a bit.

It barely touches on 2 blades and the third one really catches, enough to stop your rotation by hand and have to put both hands on the midshaft to rotate it past. This is the only thing making me scratch my head. It's a brand new prop from impros, you would think it would catch somewhat evenly on each blade in that spot.


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Location
NorCal
Check on the ring being swollen. If that's not it and you can't figure it out send it back to me and I'll remake it if I have to. But let's hope it doesn't come to that.

Sounds good, like I said I really don't think it's the shaft due to the nature of the problem but If it ends up being that I'll let you know. Thanks for the help!


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JetManiac

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orlando
It is almost for sure a bad wear ring unless prop was made out of spec. Also check that your wear ring is evenly seated against the pump stator. Old silicone, corrosion, etc. can hold wear ring from fully seating on part and cause this issue as well. Do not grind the liner except as a temporary solution until wear ring can be replaced. Otherwise the swell will continue and ruin your new impeller outer edge.

From our pump parts thread:


Wear Ring Information




'Wear ring' is bit inaccurate or misleading term. The OEM 'wear ring' is made of cast aluminum with a very thin stainless steel liner. The liners actually wear very little (if at all). It is the outside edge of the impeller that wears when sand, shells, dirt, etc. are run through the pump. The wear ring (yamaha calls it an 'impeller housing') should not touch the impeller at all.

Oem wear rings are reliable and offer great performance, but they are pricey to replace (new retail $274.) and fail with saltwater and occasionally freshwater usage. Oem wear rings fail from the Galvanic corrosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion) which occurs between the housing and the liner, causing the liner to swell and collapse into the impeller. Oem wear rings used in saltwater will always swell and fail, sometimes quickly. Inspection will reveal high spots rubbed by the impeller and the impeller edges will have rough hangers on the edges. In an assembled ski, you can listen carefully just after shutting off your motor for the 'ding, ding, ding' of the impeller grinding on the wear ring. (ski must be out of the water) The impeller should never touch in an oem wear ring, if it does, then it is bad.



The Solas all SS wear ring is a 'forever' wear ring because the solid all SS constuction won't ever go bad.

A/M wear rings with replaceable plastic liners are true 'wear rings.' The liners will wear as sand, etc. is passed through the pump. Are they better or worse? Advantages include lower cost, much lower impeller wear and no issues with corrosion in saltwater. Disadvantages are once the liner wears too much, then your pump performance will suffer, and also periodic liner replacement is required.

If you ride salt alot and also the type to run lots of sand, etc. through your pump, then a/m wear ring may be a good choice both to protect impeller and to lower costs.

Both WSM and SBT make wear rings with replaceable plastic liners.
 
Location
NorCal
It is almost for sure a bad wear ring unless prop was made out of spec. Also check that your wear ring is evenly seated against the pump stator. Old silicone, corrosion, etc. can hold wear ring from fully seating on part and cause this issue as well. Do not grind the liner except as a temporary solution until wear ring can be replaced. Otherwise the swell will continue and ruin your new impeller outer edge.

From our pump parts thread:


Wear Ring Information




'Wear ring' is bit inaccurate or misleading term. The OEM 'wear ring' is made of cast aluminum with a very thin stainless steel liner. The liners actually wear very little (if at all). It is the outside edge of the impeller that wears when sand, shells, dirt, etc. are run through the pump. The wear ring (yamaha calls it an 'impeller housing') should not touch the impeller at all.

Oem wear rings are reliable and offer great performance, but they are pricey to replace (new retail $274.) and fail with saltwater and occasionally freshwater usage. Oem wear rings fail from the Galvanic corrosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion) which occurs between the housing and the liner, causing the liner to swell and collapse into the impeller. Oem wear rings used in saltwater will always swell and fail, sometimes quickly. Inspection will reveal high spots rubbed by the impeller and the impeller edges will have rough hangers on the edges. In an assembled ski, you can listen carefully just after shutting off your motor for the 'ding, ding, ding' of the impeller grinding on the wear ring. (ski must be out of the water) The impeller should never touch in an oem wear ring, if it does, then it is bad.



The Solas all SS wear ring is a 'forever' wear ring because the solid all SS constuction won't ever go bad.

A/M wear rings with replaceable plastic liners are true 'wear rings.' The liners will wear as sand, etc. is passed through the pump. Are they better or worse? Advantages include lower cost, much lower impeller wear and no issues with corrosion in saltwater. Disadvantages are once the liner wears too much, then your pump performance will suffer, and also periodic liner replacement is required.

If you ride salt alot and also the type to run lots of sand, etc. through your pump, then a/m wear ring may be a good choice both to protect impeller and to lower costs.

Both WSM and SBT make wear rings with replaceable plastic liners.

Thanks for the info! What do you recommend doing, the ss Solas or a ring with plastic liner?


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Plastic liner is way cheaper. Plus it's only like 30$ to replace down the road. They last a long time without abuse. If there is any slight misalignment or imperfections the edges of the prop won't be damaged.
 
Location
Stockton
What do you recommend doing, the ss Solas or a ring with plastic liner?


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From jetamiacs post:

A/M wear rings with replaceable plastic liners are true 'wear rings.' The liners will wear as sand, etc. is passed through the pump. Are they better or worse? Advantages include lower cost, much lower impeller wear and no issues with corrosion in saltwater. Disadvantages are once the liner wears too much, then your pump performance will suffer, and also periodic liner replacement is required.

If you ride salt alot and also the type to run lots of sand, etc. through your pump, then a/m wear ring may be a good choice both to protect impeller and to lower costs.

Both WSM and SBT make wear rings with replaceable plastic liners.

//// I ran the plastic worked fine like sasquachcrap mentioned
 
Location
NorCal
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Ended up being the wear ring. You can feel a bubble underneath where it's circled.


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Vumad

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Location
St. Pete, FL
I believe stainless OEM type liners are the best, but considering the price and the fact that stainless liners often damage the prop when they fail, I went plastic.

If you're riding a $15000 ski, then the extra money of stainless and having the prop refinished when needed is probably well worth the relatively low extra cost.

I spray down everything, including my pump, with WD40 and/or silicone after every salt use. My OEM parts hold up very well. The finish on my SBT housing looked like poop almost immediately. Worse than the 10 year old OEM part in less than a year and the OEM part was 4 years old when I got it, never flushed or cleaned, salt use only. Doesn't say much about the SBT part.
 
I had to file down the edges of my prop to solve this issue on a stainless mag pump. Ended up with about 5 thou clearence on each blade. Starting out you couldn't even slip three thou feeler gauge in there.
 
Location
NorCal
Update: bought a stainless Solas wear ring. My pump is out of a b2 so the original wear ring was threaded like a superjet one is. The new Solas isn't threaded so I have nothing to thread my pump bolts into. Any ideas? I was thinking of welding nuts to it just not sure if there is a easier way.
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