Race Fuel

[PancakePete]

I want to hear every bit of info !

VP ?
Sunoco ?
Klotz ?
torco ?

more ?

I love c-12, all my 2 strokes love it.. runs way better than av gas.

when I do a mix of like 50/50 of c12 108 oct. and 92. it does not seem to like
as much !

I can run 92 in my ski, its borederline, but I really want to hear what everyone has tried out ?

Main reason for thread is I am sick of 9-10 beans a gallon, even if mix half and half.

I am wondering is some of the others equivelant to c12 and whats the price and what have you notice with mixing 50/50 ?

Thank you in advance. :Banane09:

 

[Goose]

sunoco supream or cam2 show good and consistant dyno numbers

 

[Matt_E]

Ruh oh.

I can run 92 in my ski, its borederline, but I really want to hear what everyone has tried out ?

If you can run 92 in your ski - even if it's borderline - isn't 108 octane race gas complete overkill?

 

[GIL]

sunoco supream or cam2 show good and consistant dyno numbers

What kind dyno numbers?

 

[the only couch rider]

checking with my guy tonight pete

 

[GIL]

I want to hear every bit of info !

VP ?
Sunoco ?
Klotz ?
torco ?

more ?

I love c-12, all my 2 strokes love it.. runs way better than av gas.

when I do a mix of like 50/50 of c12 108 oct. and 92. it does not seem to like
as much !

I can run 92 in my ski, its borederline, but I really want to hear what everyone has tried out ?

Main reason for thread is I am sick of 9-10 beans a gallon, even if mix half and half.

I am wondering is some of the others equivelant to c12 and whats the price and what have you notice with mixing 50/50 ?

Thank you in advance. :Banane09:

My 2 cents

If I were you I would run what Chuckie tells you.

Crammit runs what Art tells him and his skis run better than everyone elses

Paul told me to run 100LL in my set up and mine runs great

and on and on and on

 

[PancakePete]

Ruh oh.

If you can run 92 in your ski - even if it's borderline - isn't 108 octane race gas complete overkill?

I run like 205 psi, and the gas is such crap that if I do a 50/50 mix with 108 and 92 its like 100 oct. which is like perfect for that setup.

My motor runs insane on pump gas, but I can here and feel the difference with the better fuel... I think the gas up here is just plain garbage.

sunoco supream or cam2 show good and consistant dyno numbers

You recommend sunoco purple ? "standard" is eq. to c-12 ?

checking with my guy tonight pete

Thank you.

My 2 cents

If I were you I would run what Chuckie tells you.

Crammit runs what Art tells him and his skis run better than everyone elses

Paul told me to run 100LL in my set up and mine runs great

and on and on and on

Chuckie said I can run pump gas all day, and did all last year. most of year, and then tried some race mix and ski loved it. really.

So yes I run what im told... I can run pump, but skis love race too.
205-210 psi comp. 100 oct. just right.. that is a mixing 50/50.

Do I make any sense ?

do you guys get crap at the pump.. I tried like all sorts of fuels last year, they all suck but race fuel... lol

:dunno:

 

[Troublemaker]

pete.. CAM2 116 leaded $7.25 a gallon here.. call klotz there 118 oct is around the same price, but you have to buy 55 gallon at a time to get it cheap

 

[Scorn800]

Jersey gas is crap for the most part. You should talk to chuckie and tell him you want to run race gas. See what kind of race gas he likes than buy a drum or 2 and have it shipped to your house. You'll mostly likely going to have to rejet & might as well move up in compression & take full advantage of it.

 

[PancakePete]

pete.. CAM2 116 leaded $7.25 a gallon here.. call klotz there 118 oct is around the same price, but you have to buy 55 gallon at a time to get it cheap

I think VP is a rip off ! that is good price.

Jersey gas is crap for the most part. You should talk to chuckie and tell him you want to run race gas. See what kind of race gas he likes than buy a drum or 2 and have it shipped to your house. You'll mostly likely going to have to rejet & might as well move up in compression & take full advantage of it.

Ya. I am going to talk to chuckie, I just want the happy meduim ya know.
Only reason I posted is for knowledge for me too ya know.

I just think KNOW our gas is Garbage.

I will probly do the half and half mix, that is the best I can do for now.
Cheapest and still better for motor than the crap pump. lol

Thanks guys.:beerchug:

 

[tor*p*do]

I think Jersey gas has ethanol in it, up to 10%
which is kind of like p!ssing in your gas tank
S.C. is like that - I lose 10% fuel economy whenever I fill up there!

 

[PancakePete]

I think Jersey gas has ethanol in it, up to 10%
which is kind of like p!ssing in your gas tank
S.C. is like that - I lose 10% fuel economy whenever I fill up there!

very true.. but I think its more like 20% lol

 

[Don 79 TA]

the rule should be run what you need, any more is pissing $$ away
I have always had great results with Sunnoco race gas (aka cam2 as the ole timmers call it) I like the sunnoco 100, 110, and 112, different domes have the needs for different ratings

if you are border line on premium pump gas, you can look into heat coating the pistons and exhaust passages (yes this is debateable), but it's a thought if you are wanting to stay on pump gas at the ragged edge.

i don't ride that much and race gas here is cheap... ok, cheapper than it was when i was in NY for sure, and it's at the pumps here too, but only 100 and 110.

there are alot of factors in determing octane, temps, compression, porting, timing, wieght, cooling, etc...

I'm also a believer in the race gas for the lead, helps with lubrication (ok so i use some old hot rodder tricks) and of course thats debateable as well.

 

[Goose]

Sunoco supreme is 110 motor octane and 114 reasearch octane.probly compareable to c12. it should easily be found its a common race fuel.cam 2 is also excellant but it is definetly possible to over octane a motor and they run horrible and are tough to get tuned.

 

[FreestyleFreak]

we have a pump here locally that sells 110 octane.Im running between 200-205 psi so i run 50/50 which makes 100 octane and its perfect!

 

[crammit442]

I think VP is a rip off ! .:beerchug:

This is just my opinion, but it's an educated one arrived at over a number of years. VP fuels will almost always be the most expensive fuels available. There are several reasons for this. Admittedly, one is that they have the name, track record, and reputation to pull it off. Second(and more importantly,IMO), VP racing gasoline is not simply about octane numbers. Running a given fuel for octane numbers alone is ok, but you need to know that you'll never make the power that's possible with a fuel that's engineered for your specific application. That's why VP has over 60 different fuels. Most racing fuel companies have 5 or 6 different fuels at the very most. The days of simply shooting for a safe octane number have passed for those who desire the most out of their engines. These days, racing gasoline should be evaluated as another vital piece of a complete package in the same way an engine modification or high performance part is. Those on a budget can still make better power on AVgas or no name 110 than on pump gas because of the higher compression ratios and more advanced timing allowed by these fuels. C-12 is probably the best all around racing gasoline ever made. Almost any motor will live on it and it really does make more power than most other similarly(octane) rated fuels. Nearly everything runs good on C-12. Depending on your octane requirements, there are fuels for specific applications that can make significantly more power. Many of the modern high performance fuels are heavily oxygenated and are chemically sophisticated in ways that the typical 110 fuel will never match. Depending on application, the octane ratings can range from the mid 80's to above 120.


Disclaimer: I am the local VP guy. In all fairness, if my time is worth anything at all, it probably costs me a few hundred dollars a year to sell race gas. There are some very high quality competing fuel brands that can produce great power and safety. The difference,(in my opinion) is the consistent quality and the vast range of fuels available so you get what works best for your motor. I can also say that VP has treated me very respectfully and generously over the years and I would stick with them for the quality of our relationship alone. Anytime someone needs anything VP sells for a race or freeride, just let me know in advance and I can bring it to you.

 

[GIL]

This is just my opinion, but it's an educated one arrived at over a number of years. VP fuels will almost always be the most expensive fuels available. There are several reasons for this. Admittedly, one is that they have the name, track record, and reputation to pull it off. Second(and more importantly,IMO), VP racing gasoline is not simply about octane numbers. Running a given fuel for octane numbers alone is ok, but you need to know that you'll never make the power that's possible with a fuel that's engineered for your specific application. That's why VP has over 60 different fuels. Most racing fuel companies have 5 or 6 different fuels at the very most. The days of simply shooting for a safe octane number have passed for those who desire the most out of their engines. These days, racing gasoline should be evaluated as another vital piece of a complete package in the same way an engine modification or high performance part is. Those on a budget can still make better power on AVgas or no name 110 than on pump gas because of the higher compression ratios and more advanced timing allowed by these fuels. C-12 is probably the best all around racing gasoline ever made. Almost any motor will live on it and it really does make more power than most other similarly(octane) rated fuels. Nearly everything runs good on C-12. Depending on your octane requirements, there are fuels for specific applications that can make significantly more power. Many of the modern high performance fuels are heavily oxygenated and are chemically sophisticated in ways that the typical 110 fuel will never match. Depending on application, the octane ratings can range from the mid 80's to above 120.


Disclaimer: I am the local VP guy. In all fairness, if my time is worth anything at all, it probably costs me a few hundred dollars a year to sell race gas. There are some very high quality competing fuel brands that can produce great power and safety. The difference,(in my opinion) is the consistent quality and the vast range of fuels available so you get what works best for your motor. I can also say that VP has treated me very respectfully and generously over the years and I would stick with them for the quality of our relationship alone. Anytime someone needs anything VP sells for a race or freeride, just let me know in advance and I can bring it to you.

So the long and short is-Pete says VP is a rip off and you say you are VP-so-you are a rip off? OMG that was funny. :spank: Now calm down before I have to spank you-You know I am just kidding! LOL

 

[PancakePete]

So the long and short is-Pete says VP is a rip off and you say you are VP-so-you are a rip off? OMG that was funny. :spank: Now calm down before I have to spank you-You know I am just kidding! LOL

lol. I love VP.. just was looking to save some money...

SKi seems to love right around 100 oct. so mixing 50/50 is good.

I will see what kind of prices I can get.

I just talked to VP rep, and was not the nicest to deal with ! :thumbsdown:

 

[masterblaster]

the way i see it is if your a once a month wave warrior,run race gas and deal with the extra $ But if you ride 2x a week and burn a couple tanks each ride,toss the high comp domes in the trash can and run lower comp on 93 oct from bp or shell. not that noticeable a diff especially when not using TL igns. Its worth it for the $ saved and not having to drag fuel around everywhere you go,and if you ever run out at a ride being screwed

My vote for performance vs cost effectiveness & reliability is a liteweight flywheel and couplers,msd enhancer,35 cc domes 93 oct with a degree or two static advance timing for surf riding,add to this a 5 mil stroker and its PLENTY of rip for surf

 

[Matt_E]

A motor will run best on what it's built for.
You can't just "toss the high comp domes in the trash can and run lower comp on 93 oct" and expect the motor to run well.