Custom/Hybrid Rickter XFR vs Superfreak Titan -9

[TheBuzzard]

I agree to some degree. However, I have probably ridden 10 different Badass hulls now and every single one felt like home to me and felt a lot like mine. Some were shorter and set up totally different, some were glass, some had 1000 CC and yet they all were very similar at the same time. Handle pole length is the only thing that throws me off a little.

funny you mention the badass. i totally agree and that was the hull i wasnt including when i thought this up. they are amazing RIDING hulls, but motor size and power still determine what exactly the badass can do.

 

[Crab]

Minus 5 carbon Freak for the WIN, it does it all.

 

[TheBuzzard]

Minus 5 carbon Freak for the WIN, it does it all.

hey crab, you're starting to sound like those guys that try beating us over the head with KAWI IS THE BEST:deadhorse:

 

[KTM434]

I think setup and drivetrain affects the way a ski feels but really doesn't change the way a hull rides. It depends how knowledgable you are with hull design and how well you can determine what the hull is doing without paying attention to the drivetrain setup. A short hull is easier to ride without a short tray. I've ridden a couple short hulls that IMO needed a deeper tray to get my weight more forward. People can say throw a shorter pole on it but I don't ride flatwater and don't want the nose pointed toward the moon. I also ride surf stance which may make my opinion different. It all depends on riding style. Both are good hulls but a glass Rickter is definitely heavy. People also say carbon lightweight hulls aren't good in surf cuz you get thrown around a lot in chop. I've obviously adapted but my carbon freak is fun in surf and isn't a rough ride at all IMO so don't rule out a light hull being good for surf. I haven't ridden an XFR or a Freak that short but if I were to chose I'd go for the Freak for many reasons. Rickter is a nice product and I have nothing bad to say about them, that's just my personal preference. I'm sure the glass Titan (Freak) will be lighter than the glass XFS-R too.
It's best to try both hulls first...

 

[sneds]

Last winter I had the same question. I wanted a ski that would flip, roll, 360, etc, and still be a competent ski in the waves and wakes. I was told that there really isn't a hull that is good at both and I would have to choose freestyle or freeride and purchase accordingly. Seeing I ride more flatwater than waves, I ended up going with an Rickter XFS-R equipped with a Dasa 1100. I also bought the short and mid ride plate from RRP. As you can imagine, with the short plate on it, it is a capable freestyle ski with plenty of power to do whatever you want to do. With the mid plate installed I was pleasantly surprised with the handling. It felt much like the FS-2 that I had before my XFS. In my opinion, it's a great all around boat, it will flip, roll and still carve and jump wakes. Take it for what it's worth. Good luck with your decision.

 

[sneds]

Forgot to mention that the XFS-R has the XFS layup but has the XFR tray (extra 2 inches in the front of the tray). I'm a short rider (5'7") so I like having the extra tray room, it really helps with finding a comfortable stance when riding in the waves.

 

[clayne100]

Last winter I had the same question. I wanted a ski that would flip, roll, 360, etc, and still be a competent ski in the waves and wakes. I was told that there really isn't a hull that is good at both and I would have to choose freestyle or freeride and purchase accordingly. Seeing I ride more flatwater than waves, I ended up going with an Rickter XFS-R equipped with a Dasa 1100. I also bought the short and mid ride plate from RRP. As you can imagine, with the short plate on it, it is a capable freestyle ski with plenty of power to do whatever you want to do. With the mid plate installed I was pleasantly surprised with the handling. It felt much like the FS-2 that I had before my XFS. In my opinion, it's a great all around boat, it will flip, roll and still carve and jump wakes. Take it for what it's worth. Good luck with your decision.

I like everything about the XFR-S except the weight. Do you notice it on flat water? Many say that it helps with the ride except for in the air.

 

[CRJ]

to throw another bone into the conversation, take a good look at the brawler hulls from rage comp. its a relatively cheap hull, and its surprising how much it can do. i know big money points toward the big names, but the small gusy are pumping out some pretty cool . considering a XFR is around 125lbs, and you can get a brawler around 75lbs glass layup, 50ish in carbon. my buddies brawler can also outrun my square nose, so stability doesnt seem to be a problem at speed. I loved riding it, it plows when you want, little gas and its on plane in a second.

just a thought!

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[Moto360]

I own a XFR and it dose NOT chase boats well!!! I have the motor forward but have not tried a long ride plate!

 

[sneds]

I like everything about the XFR-S except the weight. Do you notice it on flat water? Many say that it helps with the ride except for in the air.

I haven't tried to flip or perform any other aerials on a lighter ski so I don't know how it compares. I use to think if I had a light ski and tons of power, the ski would practically flip itself. This is not true, there is still a level of skill needed to pull it around. I'm still working on landing a plate to plate flip and as much as I would like to blame the weight of the ski, I can't. My setup is extremely capable of a flip and any other of today's aerials. In my case, it's the pilots lack of skill... and that will come with time.

 

[sneds]

I forgot to mention I have a 2013 hull. RRP changed the intake track in the 2013 model and apparently this makes a huge difference in the handling of the hull.

 

[jason184]

I own a XFR and it dose NOT chase boats well!!! I have the motor forward but have not tried a long ride plate!

Finally an honest answer from a rickter owner. If you want something to chase down boats with an XFR is probably one of the worst hulls out there for that. It's great for its intended purpose of flat water or advanced surf but boat chasing on a choppy river is totally different.

 

[sneds]

^^ Agreed.

 

[Yami-Rider]

Finally an honest answer from a rickter owner. If you want something to chase down boats with an XFR is probably one of the worst hulls out there for that. It's great for its intended purpose of flat water or advanced surf but boat chasing on a choppy river is totally different.

^^ Agreed.

I guess its what you get used too. My buddy on his 2012 XFS can keep up with me on my SJ in a straight line and keep up with yachts all day. Top speed 50+ and he can keep it pinned as long as he wants oh and he is 55 years old.

 

[Ehlett]

A lot comes down to personal preference. I had the xfs and tried the short and long rideplates. With the long rideplate I felt I could rip around and chase boats all day, takes some time to get used to but again, depends rider preference. The xfs seemed to be a great all around hull, I watched people flat water flip my ski with an 898 PowerHouse motor in it, no trim. I was able to try a circus and knew if I wanted to progress faster on flat water that was the boat for me. I am now riding a Circus with the Powerhouse 898 and to me its the perfect setup. No trim flips are easy, I can't wait to get more time on it. The circus is definitely not a great boat chaser or lake cruiser but that's not what I was looking for. Don't discard the 898, it is a monster and has smooth linear power in a nice low maintenance 4mm setup. The guys at Powerhouse have second to none support too, just my 2 cents.

Edit: Something else to think about is the xfs is a -6 hull I believe. A -9 hull will likely not be better at chasing boats and surf riding.

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[JRock637]

A lot comes down to personal preference. I had the xfs and tried the short and long rideplates. With the long rideplate I felt I could rip around and chase boats all day, takes some time to get used to but again, depends rider preference. The xfs seemed to be a great all around hull, I watched people flat water flip my ski with an 898 PowerHouse motor in it, no trim. I was able to try a circus and knew if I wanted to progress faster on flat water that was the boat for me. I am now riding a Circus with the Powerhouse 898 and to me its the perfect setup. No trim flips are easy, I can't wait to get more time on it. The circus is definitely not a great boat chaser or lake cruiser but that's not what I was looking for. Don't discard the 898, it is a monster and has smooth linear power in a nice low maintenance 4mm setup. The guys at Powerhouse have second to none support too, just my 2 cents.

Edit: Something else to think about is the xfs is a -6 hull I believe. A -9 hull will likely not be better at chasing boats and surf riding.

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Exactly. Also really again comes down to what kind of riding the OP will mainly do. I road a xfs for a while and in the bay it was a nightmare. But had a short plate. I'd love to try one with long plate. We never ride flat water there's far too many awesome yatch wakes. I love my FS2 and I plan to pick up a xfs-r with long plate as a 2nd ski next year.

 

[wanderer1]

Edit: Something else to think about is the xfs is a -6 hull I believe. A -9 hull will likely not be better at chasing boats and surf riding.

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Curious about the relevance of these measurments. XFS -6 from what? A SJ no way. Titan -9 from what? SJ no way. Neither has a common baseline to originate from other than what the manufacturer deciced what the starting legth would be, so what are you getting at. Example- a -4 Trinity EVO is 4" shorter than an SXR but a -4 Matrix is 4" shorter than a Matrix.

 

[SKI BONEZ]

I can tell you this...xfs or xfr for me its a awesome ski takes a few mins to get comfortable... and not sure I would wanna ride it far...and real fast...but ill tell u ...you can't go wrong with the superfreak...for me. I felt stable and comfortable the second I got on...I rode a super light circus with a 1200 .pfp. 155...it was super easy to ride carves great ...turns without being tipsy...recovers easy and stable...I could ride it any where and chase boats...also rode a light -4 badass same thing awesome hull rode perfect ...rode the titan same thing...you can ride these like a superjet...but still flip.roll...and chase boats...

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[sjetrider]

this is not True bro, not true at all.........
My -8.5 rides and chases boats IMO BETTER than a -5.5 or 4.3 and as good as a -6.5 with upturn nozzle.
Shorter the better on the Freaks IMO, the Circus is a different animal.

Edit: Something else to think about is the xfs is a -6 hull I believe. A -9 hull will likely not be better at chasing boats and surf riding.

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Curious about the relevance of these measurments. XFS -6 from what? A SJ no way. Titan -9 from what? SJ no way. Neither has a common baseline to originate from other than what the manufacturer deciced what the starting legth would be, so what are you getting at. Example- a -4 Trinity EVO is 4" shorter than an SXR but a -4 Matrix is 4" shorter than a Matrix.[/QUOTE]

 

[wanderer1]

Uh, that quote wasn't me, the skippythespy posted the -6 and -9 comparison comment