Rolls - how do you stay tucked in?

[Big Kahuna]

Yes, turn right then as going up your wake or the boats wake turn left and throttle (If you're rolling left)

this really only applies to boat waves or ocean waves, flat water is different

 

[Big Kahuna]

anyone have some good video of flat water rolls? if so please post, im more of a visual learner

This was 2 weeks ago. I still need to tuck even more to speed up my rotation. Granted, this was the first time out this year.

 

[Scraggly]

This was 2 weeks ago. I still need to tuck even more to speed up my rotation. Granted, this was the first time out this year.

thats a real nice pic BK. i cant get that kind of hight of my setup yet.
i can get just high enough to be inverted then my head grabs water then the nose of the ski.

i think i need more help with the setup and hitting the setup in the right spot

 

[Mark44]

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hey Mark, what ride plate do you have? I had this problem when I was running a ProTec ride plate that had been "D" cut. the problem was I think the older plates angled downwards from front to back, that is what made them handle well. forced the nose down, when doing rolls, as you are leaving the water, the waterpressure is hitting the plate forcing the tail upwards and the nose downwards. I changed by to my WORX Dominator (long plate) that I cut really short and my tail and nose started to level out. My theory, is that when the extended race plates came out, they had a different angle that the shorter plates (1990-1998), still achieved good performance with no loss in top speed. That may be why my rolls started flattening out.

BK I am running a stock plate at the moment. Hmmm thinking about what you said though.......... good thought.

Mark44

 

[Big Kahuna]

I currently have one of the original style wammer plates and it actually has negative angle on it rising upwards towards the rear, guess it lets the nose rise easier.

come to think of it, a friend of mine (Racer) took stock SXR plates and started cutting grooves in them front to back, (Nothing to cutting into the plate about half thickness in the rear) This would let the SXR when on the gas lift the nose a bit then when letting off for a turn allow the nose to plant and hook up.

 

[Dirtybird]

this really only applies to boat waves or ocean waves, flat water is different

Thanks, as I am going to start trying flat water rolls this year and was unaware :fing02:

 

[freestylegeek]

where am I going wrong?

Jim,
One of the most important things for rolls is the position of your throttle. You wouldn't think that something so small could make such a huge difference, but here's why. Position your throttle so that it's in the most comfortable position when the pole is DOWN. Mine is at about -40º from horizontal (with the pole down - see attached pictures). First of all, this puts your elbows up and forces you into a more aggressive riding stance. Second, it makes your boat uncomfortable (hard to reach the throttle) when the pole is off the hood (like in your pictures). When my pole is up that high, my throttle is pointing striaght down at the tray. By doing this, you will learn (very quickly) to keep the pole down, and stay tucked on the ski.

Give this a shot, and let us know if you feel what I'm talking about

 

[yamanube]

Jim,
One of the most important things for rolls is the position of your throttle. You wouldn't think that something so small could make such a huge difference, but here's why. Position your throttle so that it's in the most comfortable position when the pole is DOWN. Mine is at about -40º from horizontal (with the pole down - see attached pictures). First of all, this puts your elbows up and forces you into a more aggressive riding stance. Second, it makes your boat uncomfortable (hard to reach the throttle) when the pole is off the hood (like in your pictures). When my pole is up that high, my throttle is pointing striaght down at the tray. By doing this, you will learn (very quickly) to keep the pole down, and stay tucked on the ski.

Give this a shot, and let us know if you feel what I'm talking about

Good tip! Gonna have to try that one out.

 

[Waternut]

Jim,
One of the most important things for rolls is the position of your throttle. You wouldn't think that something so small could make such a huge difference, but here's why. Position your throttle so that it's in the most comfortable position when the pole is DOWN. Mine is at about -40º from horizontal (with the pole down - see attached pictures). First of all, this puts your elbows up and forces you into a more aggressive riding stance. Second, it makes your boat uncomfortable (hard to reach the throttle) when the pole is off the hood (like in your pictures). When my pole is up that high, my throttle is pointing striaght down at the tray. By doing this, you will learn (very quickly) to keep the pole down, and stay tucked on the ski.

Give this a shot, and let us know if you feel what I'm talking about

Man I just moved my throttle up because it was so uncomfortable to ride casually with a shortened pole.

edit: Looking closer at your pictures, my throttle is about where yours is now. I must've had mine pointed extremely far down...

 

[Superjetjim]

:veryhappy:

Jim,
One of the most important things for rolls is the position of your throttle. You wouldn't think that something so small could make such a huge difference, but here's why. Position your throttle so that it's in the most comfortable position when the pole is DOWN. Mine is at about -40º from horizontal (with the pole down - see attached pictures). First of all, this puts your elbows up and forces you into a more aggressive riding stance. Second, it makes your boat uncomfortable (hard to reach the throttle) when the pole is off the hood (like in your pictures). When my pole is up that high, my throttle is pointing striaght down at the tray. By doing this, you will learn (very quickly) to keep the pole down, and stay tucked on the ski.

Give this a shot, and let us know if you feel what I'm talking about

Good tip - off into the garage to adjust it now ready for the weekend!

Will report back..

 

[vjhardcore]

anyone have some good video of flat water rolls? if so please post, im more of a visual learner

Ditto- We have alot of semi pro/very good freestylers on here. Get your Biatches to video you teaching a lesson plan for us :newbie:s'

 

[GIL]

I will say this-I have been bustin my azz tryin to roll, I started usin Harrison's 'look under the hull' method and go alot closer, but no cigar. However, as I am rollin left, I have been tucking my left elbow in and looking over my left elbow instead of trying to look under it. I'm def gonna try the new method.

 

[Superjetjim]

My best attempt (not very good!) is near the start of this vid at 12 seconds or so.. you'll see how I open and stop the roll half way through :banghead:

YouTube - Ibiza Jetski 2007 Freestyle

 

[Big Kahuna]

Jim, you are close, try hitting the wake a little faster.

 

[D-Roc]

not me but a buddy rollin on flatwater with his own setup wake.
YouTube - flatwater roll

 

[crazyass911]

i think you need more speed your moving really slow and ive found that a little more speed helps.

 

[flyinb501]

not me but a buddy rollin on flatwater with his own setup wake.
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Sick!!!!!!! Why can't I do that?

 

[D-Roc]

lol i know, i need to practice this trick big time, i got my setup wake down and my timing is good to hit the wake just gotta tuck and roll now. he does them on my ski too.

 

[kingnothing3]

Geek, your advise helped me two years ago when I was learning my flatwater rolls. Its been a year since I rode last but im excited to learn them all over again this year. hope its like riding a bike.

 

[brentR]

droc who is thattttttt???
i just started throwin attempts this weekend all i can say is im sick of landing on my head!!

how the hell do you guys hold on when upside down i find im letting the ski go