Secret Spot "not so secret" anymore

FlightPlanDan

Don'tTrustAfartAfter50
We rode the spot yesterday. X2frank, Aircraftsalz, AllDayJay, and a few more.
The powers that be have closed the beach (on the north side of the bridge) both east and west sides for nesting birds. The signs say "temporary" but the cops say permanent. They sunk 4x4 posts all the way into the water.
Here's the problem: all of the couches that would usually put in off of that beach seemed to find their way to the spot. For a while there, it was a zoo. We can only hope that it's temporary.
 
freeriders....sk8ers of the sea

aint that the truth,I cant seem to escape these kinda problems,motox was just as bad,skaters of the woods,lol. One day I hope I can find something to enjoy that isnt such a pita!!!!!!

Sounds to me like the $ people of there found a loop hole to keep EVERYONE out
 

Aircraftsalz

Thrust built Dasa Power
Location
Off site
Plus the cops are watching from shore now. Rode Thursday after work (aftern 5:00), Damn cop(s) waved me in. Said no riding within 600ft of the shore!

Not looking good these days for the Spot!
 

madscientist

chilling with these guys.
Location
good old p'cola
their after us here as well

Personal Watercraft


PWC Regulations
Personal Watercraft (PWC), such as “Jet ski’s” and similar craft, are generally permitted within the boundaries of Gulf Islands National Seashore, except as noted below:

Florida District

Fort Pickens, Perdido Key, Santa Rosa Units

The park boundary extends on the north side of the barrier beach islands to the Intracoastal Waterway and extends into the Gulf of Mexico on the south side for one mile from the low tide line of the islands.
· The lagoons on the north side of Perdido Key, within Big Lagoon, are closed to all combustible engines. These lagoons are marked with buoys.
· Areas within 200 feet of the Fort Pickens fishing pier and 200 feet of the remnants of the old fishing pier (just east of the new location) are closed to all boating operations.
· Elsewhere, a flat wake zone exists for 300 yards from the shorelines.
· PWC’s may not be operated within 200 feet of non-motorized vessels and people in the water, except individuals associated with the use of the PWC.

Naval Live Oaks Unit

The park boundary extends into the water for 100 yards from the shoreline.
· A flat wake restriction exists for all PWC’s operating within park waters at Naval Live Oaks.
· PWC’s may not be operated within 200 feet of non-motorized vessels and people in the water, except individuals associated with the use of the PWC.
·

Okaloosa Unit

Park boundaries do not extend into the water, but a flat wake zone has been designated by the state, and is marked by buoys.

Mississippi District

Cat Island

Cat Island is comprised of a mix of National Park Service and private lands.
· PWCs are not allowed in any lagoon, inlet, inland lake, or pond within park boundaries.
· PWC’s may not be operated within 200 feet of non-motorized vessels and people in the water, except individuals associated with the use of the PWC.

Davis Bayou

· A flat wake zone exists for 300 yards from the park shoreline.
· PWC’s may not be operated within 200 feet of non-motorized vessels and people in the water, except individuals associated with the use of the PWC.

East Ship Island and Spoil Island

The park boundaries extend one mile to the north and south of the islands.
· PWCs are not allowed in any lagoon, inlet, inland lake, or pond within park boundaries.
· Elsewhere, a flat wake zone exists for 300 yards from the shoreline of the islands.
· PWC’s may not be operated within 200 feet of non-motorized vessels and people in the water, except individuals associated with the use of the PWC.

Horn Island and Petit Bois Island (Wilderness Islands)

The park boundaries extend one mile to the north and south of the islands.
· PWCs are not allowed in any lagoon, inlet, inland lake, or pond within park boundaries.
· PWC’s may not be operated within 200 feet of non-motorized vessels and people in the water, except individuals associated with the use of the PWC.
· Elsewhere, a flat wake zone exists for ½ mile from the shoreline of the islands.

West Ship Island
The park boundaries extend one mile to the north and south of the islands.
· SPECIAL NOTICE: At the pier near Fort Massachusetts, a flat wake zone exits for 1/2 mile from either side of the pier and extends 1/2 mile from the shoreline.
· PWCs are not allowed in any lagoon, inlet, inland lake, or pond within park boundaries.
· Elsewhere, a flat wake zone exists for 300 yards from the shoreline of the island.
· PWC’s may not be operated within 200 feet of non-motorized vessels and people in the water, except individuals associated with the use of the PWC.

PWC Safety
Operating a PWC in Florida
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Did You Know?
In 1828, John Q. Adams designated the Naval Live Oaks Area of Gulf Islands National Seashore as the first United States tree farm. Live oak trees are known for their incredible density and resistance to disease. They provided durable wood for the construction of early naval vessels.
 

FlightPlanDan

Don'tTrustAfartAfter50
Man, there's some info!
Boaters and jet ski's are not yet banned at the spot. I doubt they could get away with that. Too many avid fisherman use the area. They have simply closed the beach to "vehicle" traffic. I guess if you wanted to carry your ski on your back, you could put it in there. But the folks who use the beach are seeking new places to put in, and ending up at the spot.
Singling out jet ski's from the boating community for regulation is discrimination. In Florida it's a "class A" power boat. that's how it's registered, correct? No rules should apply to us that don't apply to a class A fishing boat. But.......
 

madscientist

chilling with these guys.
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good old p'cola
Posted May 15th, 2008 by Kurt Repanshek

Are Jet Skis, also known as Personal Watercraft, appropriate for national seashores and national lakeshores? Photo by Will Pate via Flickr.

Motorized recreation in America's national parks long has been a controversial topic, with groups that back snowmobiles, personal watercraft, all-terrain and off-road vehicles maintaining they have a right to head to the parks with their machines to play. Many conservation groups, however, point to these uses as inappropriate because of their noise and pollution and the resource damage they can inflict.

Today, in an action sure to inflame some national park visitors, Friends of the Earth and The Wilderness Society sued the National Park Service to reinstate bans against personal watercraft at Gulf Islands National Seashore and Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore.

Just eight years ago the National Park Service concluded that Jet ski use was a “controversial, recreational” activity and inappropriate in most areas of the National Park System. The agency deemed Jet skis, aka personal watercraft, “high performance vessels designed for speed and maneuverability and are often used to perform stunt-like maneuvers.”

When the Park Service back then to ban PWCs from Gulf Islands, it said in part that “PWC use poses considerable threats to estuarine flora and fauna, pollutes waters essential to estuarine and marine health, poses unacceptable risks of injury to operators and bystanders, and conflicts with the majority of other longstanding uses of the Seashore.”

And yet, in 2006 the Park Service changed course and began finalizing regulations to allow the water toys back into these park units.

According to TWS and Friends of Earth, these reversals violate both the 2006 Park Service Management Policies and a settlement agreement reached in 2001 by the Park Service and Bluewater Network, which is a division of Friends of the Earth.

“The decisions to re-open Gulf Islands and Pictured Rocks to Jet skis appear to be based on politics, not sound science,” said Danielle Fugere of Friends of the Earth. “Eight years ago, the Park Service concluded that Jet skis are dangerous and cause environmental harm, yet, without any new evidence, the Park Service changed course to allow jet skis back into these sensitive parks. "

Over at The Wilderness Society, Kristen Brengel says "the National Park Service has lost sight of its mission. The agency should have upheld its mission the conserve park resources and restored the protections for Pictured Rocks and Gulf Islands by reinstating the prohibitions on jet skis. We need to make sure the Interior Department and National Park Service serves the American public by ensuring these places are safe and protected.”

Both Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne and National Park Service Director Mary Bomar have said that science will guide agency decisions, and yet that doesn't seem to be the case in PWC-related matters nor, for that matter, in snowmobiling in Yellowstone National Park..

Here are some of their words from 2006, voiced when the Park Service launched its Centennial Initiative:



U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

Starting this month, personal watercraft -- often referred to by the trade name "Jet Skis" -- will be banned in most National Parks. Already excluded from Everglades National Park, PWC use will be banned immediately in Biscayne National Park and Canaveral National Seashore. The ban will be phased in over two years at Gulf Island National Seashore.
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A ban on personal watercraft

I'm Kevin Pierce with the Florida Environment.

Starting this month, the National Park Service bans the use of personal watercraft in national parks. While some areas will be excluded, two of Florida's national park areas will see an outright ban (Sevy)...

"Personal water craft are going to be prohibited throughout the National Park System unless we specify, specifically, that it's appropriate."

The Park Service's Elaine Sevy says the personal watercraft ban is the first system-wide effort to regulate "mechanized recreation..."

"It's really expanding greatly, and as far as the National Park System, we do have to weigh the impacts of these kinds of activities and allow them where they are appropriate but also take into consideration other visitor uses that may conflict."

Those conflicting uses, along with protection of natural resources, led to the personal watercraft ban (Sevy)...

"What we've done is take a very prudent approach to this issue that would allow some of the use of the watercraft in some places yet protect park values and reduce visitor conflicts."

For more information, visit floridaenvironment.com. With help from its Environmental Studies Program, we're produced at the Whitaker Center at Florida Gulf Coast University and funded by a grant from the Southwest Florida Council for Environment Education.

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Park Service Bans Jet Skis in Five Parks
WASHINGTON, DC, April 17, 2002 (ENS) - The National Park Service has decided to uphold a Clinton administration agreement that will permanently ban personal watercraft, also known as jet skis, from five national parks. To the dismay of some conservation groups, however, the agency also ordered 16 parks to reopen their reviews of the effects of watercraft before barring the vehicles.

On Tuesday, the Park Service (NPS) announced that it will comply with its own final Personal Watercraft (PWC) Rule, as well as a court sanctioned settlement agreement with conservation groups, and permanently close the waters of five national park units to jet skis as of April 22, 2002.



Many personal watercraft use two stroke engines that cause air and water pollution. (Photo courtesy Jet Products)

Another eight parks will also close their borders to jet skis on April 22, but may have to allow the watercraft back in after a supplemental review is performed. At an additional eight parks, jet skis must be banned by September 15 unless special rules are put in place regarding their continued use.
"We are pleased with the Park Service's decision to abide by our court order and close these 13 parks to jet skis," said Sean Smith, public lands director for Bluewater Network and a former park ranger. "However, this may be a hollow victory if the Department of Interior undermines the professional judgement of its superintendents and forces jet skis back into parks where they have been found to damage park resources and wildlife."

Personal watercraft are small vessels that use an inboard motor powering a water jet pump as their primary source of power, and are operated by persons sitting, standing or kneeling on the vessel. Jet ski is a trademark name for one type of personal watercraft.

The NPS manages 385 units, including national parks, seashores, lakeshores and recreation areas. Just 87 of these units allow motorized boating.



As of April 22, no jet skis will be allowed in the Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area on the Pennsylvania-New Jersey border. (Three photos courtesy NPS)

A final NPS rule that went into effect on April 20, 2000, prohibited personal watercraft use in all but 21 national park areas. The rule established a two year grace period following the publication of the final rule to give the superintendents of the 21 park areas time to consider whether jet ski use should continue, based on the legislation establishing that park, the park's resources and values, other visitor uses of the area, and overall management objectives.
At five of those parks, the superintendents decided that jet skis should be banned, and the NPS has now agreed. The five sites scheduled for permanent closure to jet skis include: Cape Cod National Seashore in Massachusetts; Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore in Indiana; Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area along the New Jersey/Pennsylvania border; Cumberland Island National Seashore in Georgia; and Whiskeytown National Recreation Area in California.

But in at least two other park areas, the NPS has ordered park superintendents to conduct additional reviews of jet ski bans that are already in place. Affidavits filed by the NPS in response to a lawsuit brought by the jet ski industry show that the superintendents at Cape Lookout National Seashore in North Carolina and Gulf Islands National Seashore in Florida and Mississippi will have to reopen a planning process that has already concluded that jet skis are damaging park resources and wildlife.

"Jet ski damage and safety hazards have been well documented in many National Parks," said Kristen Brengel of the Natural Trails and Waters Coalition, "While the Park Service is making the right move by implementing the deadlines, we are concerned that several parks will be forced to overturn prior decisions and allow jet ski mayhem into these special places."

A December 2000 settlement agreement in a lawsuit filed by the Bluewater Network stipulated that if any of these 21 park units were to allow jet ski use to continue past court ordered deadlines, each unit would have to issue park specific regulations, including environmental assessments of jet ski impacts on park resources.



Curecanti National Recreation Area in Colorado must ban personal watercraft in September unless new rules are issued by the park.

The settlement further extended the deadline until September 2002 for eight park units. If special regulations are not completed by these deadlines, jet skis must be banned until their work is complete.
"We are committed to protecting the National Park System's cultural and natural resources, so if personal watercraft are allowed at a site, it may be restricted to certain areas of that site," said NPS deputy director Randy Jones. "For example, at Padre Island National Seashore in Texas, the protection of the endangered Kemps Ridley sea turtle nesting areas will be a major contributing factor in determining appropriate management of personal watercraft use."

However, environmentalists are particularly concerned about the ban at Padre Island National Seashore, where as recently as five days ago, it appeared that the NPS would allow a jet ski ban favored by the superintendent to go forward. Now, jet skis could be allowed back in the park based on additional reviews ordered by the NPS.

"With strong public support, the superintendents at Cape Lookout, Gulf Islands and Padre Islands national seashores had announced their intent to ban Jet Skis in order to stem the threats these machines pose to park resources and visitors," noted Steven Bosak, director of motorized use programs at the National Parks Conservation Association. "Today's announcement shows that when political pressure is applied by a small, elite user group, this administration is willing to dismiss the best judgment of the professional, seasoned managers who work to protect parks for the majority of visitors."



At Gateway National Recreation Area in New York and New Jersey, jet skis will be banned on April 22, but could be allowed back in after additional reviews.

The personal watercraft industry argues that new, cleaner engines make jet skis far less noisy, and less damaging to the environment. According to studies cited by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, two-stroke engines like those used in most personal watercraft discharge 25 to 30 percent of their fuel unburned into the water.
"We're not saying that personal watercraft should be allowed in every park," said Monita Fontaine, executive director of the Personal Watercraft Industry Association (PWIA). "Clearly, each park is unique, and motorboats may not be appropriate in some environments. But we are confident that objective, scientific studies will find that today's personal watercraft have come a long way from those sold just five years ago and are among the most environmentally friendly motorboats on the water."

For a list of all parks affected by the Park Service announcement
 

madscientist

chilling with these guys.
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good old p'cola
Outdoor Boating and Fishing

The waters of Gulf Islands National Seashore are home to many species of fish, shrimp and crabs. Daily tides blend nutrient-rich bayous and estuaries with the Gulf of Mexico, creating an ideal habitat for a wide variety of undersea creatures.

Visitors interested in fishing in the Mississippi District and the Florida District have many options, from spending a lazy afternoon fishing on the bayou to battling spirited gamefish offshore or learning the traditional art of throwing a cast net on a ranger-led program.

Boating

Boating in Mississippi and Florida is both rewarding and challenging. Properly prepared boaters can enjoy exploring Mississippi’s remote barrier islands and Florida’s sparkling white beaches. To ensure a safe boating trip to any part of Gulf Islands National Seashore, make sure you are familiar with boating safety regulations for Mississippi and Florida.

Safe boating at Gulf Islands National Seashore requires a 20-foot or longer craft. Inland water boats such as bass boats or pontoon boats are not suitable for travel to the islands. Bringing an updated nautical chart of the travel area will help you identify shoals, obstructions and shallow water. Understand the current personal watercraft regulations (PWC) for the park.

Make sure you file a float plan with a trusted friend or family member. Float plan information should include where you are going (which island and a specific location), when you are going, who is with you, when you will be back and who to contact if you don’t come back in time. Your float plan should also include description of your vessel, the boat registration number and where you will leave your boat trailer and vehicle.

Boaters should bring the right anchoring equipment. Be aware of tidal fluctuations and be prepared to move your boat when the tides and weather change.

Glass bottles are not permitted on barrier islands.
There are no trash cans on the islands. Pack out what you pack in. Trash should be contained at all times.
Fragile sea grass beds serve as nurseries for many species of sea life. Do not anchor in sea grass beds.
Watch for posted beach closures and stay out of those areas. Certain sections of beaches may be closed from March – August to protect nesting osprey and beach-nesting shorebirds.
Should you have an emergency while boating in park waters, be prepared to contact the United States Coast Guard via your marine VHF radio. You should also be prepared to contact a friend or commercial towing service. Park rangers may be available to assist but rangers will not tow a disabled vessel. You may not be able to call for help with a cell phone, as cell service on most islands is not reliable.
 

Bobert540

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So I guess all of the coast guard vessels that are jet powered and their own pwc's should be banned as well.....

Reminds me of the gas guzzler tax... so they tax cars that most people drive on weekends when state troopers can sit and idle their v8's all day....
 
So I guess all of the coast guard vessels that are jet powered and their own pwc's should be banned as well.....

Reminds me of the gas guzzler tax... so they tax cars that most people drive on weekends when state troopers can sit and idle their v8's all day....

I hate that, that would piss me off bad if they would have passed it (or do).
I drive 100+ miles on a school day between school and work and i drive a v8. I go 60 as much as i can just so i can get 30 mpg on the highway yet cops pass me all day, or i see them idling somewhere just pissing away gas that i help pay for.
 
We rode the spot yesterday. X2frank, Aircraftsalz, AllDayJay, and a few more.
The powers that be have closed the beach (on the north side of the bridge) both east and west sides for nesting birds. The signs say "temporary" but the cops say permanent. They sunk 4x4 posts all the way into the water.
Here's the problem: all of the couches that would usually put in off of that beach seemed to find their way to the spot. For a while there, it was a zoo. We can only hope that it's temporary.

relax and let's see what happens... I think the couchers will not continue to put in there, because it's not easy and it's too far from the beach. I also know that they can NOT just close the beach to driving w/o a vote and a law being passed. If they try to pass a law prohibiting us from drivng on the beach we will fight it like we did here in daytona and win. doughnut THE NAZI ENVIRO-SCUM
 
FYI - this has to do w/ birds not jetskis or boats.... no access is being denied at this point. You just can't go in the area where the birds are nesting. They do this every year and should not be that big of a deal.
 

Wolf Child

Just Another Octard
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All over C. FL
I want to install some torpedo tubes on my ski. I figure if Ican sink 2 couches everytime I hit the water, then within 3 months we could have it all to ourselves again.
 
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