Sn 650 vs 701 value

[amp3d]

Good evening folks!

I'm in the market to pickup my first superjet, and have found 2 for sale.

In regards to condition, both are similar.

However, the owner of the 701 is asking about 1200usd (1500cad) more than the guy selling the 650.

Also, the 650 is about an hour away and the 701 is about 5 hours away...so the 650 is tempting.

For those of you with more experience than me, am I better off going with the 650 and saving that money and putting it towards upgrades in the future or even a 701 build later?

I should specify I'm new to stand ups, with only a few rides way back in the 90s. My skill level is beginner (I can go in a straight line but suck at cornering haha)

Thanks!

 

[kevbo]

These skis are very old now and they very likely were not well maintained. Condition is the most important consideration. Many of these skis have been improperly stored or left sitting full of water at some point so consider them all junk. Old skis are just a bucket of parts. When new the 650s had less power. The 701 were over propped but noticeably more powerful. If you were to overhaul both, the 701 would be around $400 cheaper because you already have a cylinder and case. Thats the value difference all else equal. For a while we put 701 cylinders on 650 cases and they ran about as well as newer Superjets.

 

[amp3d]

These skis are very old now and they very likely were not well maintained. Condition is the most important consideration. Many of these skis have been improperly stored or left sitting full of water at some point so consider them all junk. Old skis are just a bucket of parts. When new the 650s had less power. The 701 were over propped but noticeably more powerful. If you were to overhaul both, the 701 would be around $400 cheaper because you already have a cylinder and case. Thats the value difference all else equal. For a while we put 701 cylinders on 650 cases and they ran about as well as newer Superjets.

This is good advice.

I should also specify that I'll be water testing both before purchase, and compression testing to make sure the seller claims are accurate.

 

[Myself]

Honestly, either one can built up as your riding experience progresses, and the 650 should be enough for a couple seasons anyway. If the 650 is in good shape the extra money can be put towards mods as you get better at riding. Look for cracks on the handlepole, and sloppy pole pivot areas. Also look for signs of patchwork on the hull, and lift the rear up.......looking for extra heavy feel (waterlogged foam).

 

[Storbeck]

You can get a pretty nice complete 701 motor for less than 1200 dollars, and you'd still have the 650 to sell off. To me this is an easy choice as long as you are willing to do some wrenching, and buying 30 year old skis you should be willing to do some wrenching either way.

 

[Sparkplug]

Idk. I'm gonna disagree. If you get the 701 ski. One less thing you gotta upgrade. That much less downtime. And you get to develop a riding style right off the bat that benefits from the low end hit the 701 has over the 650. It's a big difference in rideability or doing tricks.

What's 1200 dollars nowadays anyways. I'd get the 701

 

[WFO Speedracer]

I wouldn't judge solely by the engines in the skis, especially with that price difference ,get the one that looks like it is in the best condition overall because if it isn't you will be spending a lot of time and money straightening it out down the road.

 

[kevbo]

Idk. I'm gonna disagree. If you get the 701 ski. One less thing you gotta upgrade. That much less downtime. And you get to develop a riding style right off the bat that benefits from the low end hit the 701 has over the 650. It's a big difference in rideability or doing tricks.

What's 1200 dollars nowadays anyways. I'd get the 701

Spend $1200 and get a used 701 cylinder??

 

[E350]

Curious are both the skis Square Noses (i.e., SN)?
Or is the 701 a Round Nose (i.e., RN)?
What is the year of manufacture of each ski? (The last two digits on the HIN plate on the right rear bond rail.)

 

[amp3d]

Curious are both the skis Square Noses (i.e., SN)?
Or is the 701 a Round Nose (i.e., RN)?
What is the year of manufacture of each ski? (The last two digits on the HIN plate on the right rear bond rail.)

They are both sn...one claims to be a 1990 (650) and one claims to be a 94 (but I will double check for tags! Thank you for this advice!)

 

[Sparkplug]

Spend $1200 and get a used 701 cylinder??

The 701 ski if factory will have the larger midshaft. The 61x cdi. And imo better graphics. The latter doesn't matter for ride

 

[kevbo]

Go for the 94 provided its in better condition. The 90-92 also needed the newer nozzle/bildge siphon. 93s had a better nozzle, all 650s need a 701 cylinder and raised rev limit. They all need an impeller pitched for at least 6700rpm with the stock porting/ pipe.

 

[E350]

Hey guys, could you explain to @amp3d (and to me and others here) how to tell the difference between a single carb Super Jet 650 engine and a single carb Super Jet 701 engine?

It would probably behoove him to know that a '94 could have had the 701 removed and a 650 installed in it.

And as a newbie, my guess is that he won't actually know what he is looking at.

 

[Sparkplug]

61x on top of the head is a 701. 6r7 is a 650

 

[sturat]

A decent 701 61x stock square is worth 2k USD. 62t w/ b pipe bumps price to 3500 or so but getting more than 4k is tough on the old ones.

 

[Sparkplug]

A decent 701 61x stock square is worth 2k USD. 62t w/ b pipe bumps price to 3500 or so but getting more than 4k is tough on the old ones.

Depends where your at. Your not finding any superjet for 2k in california. Oregon. Washington. Nevada or Arizona.

That's why I said. What's 1200 bucks. Apparently it's something elsewhere. I remember buying a full breakfast for 4.50 in Ohio. And tipping 10 bucks and absolutely blowing their minds

 

[kevbo]

Kids want everything right now so they are running up the price of junk. Almost all of these old skis have had several really bad owners. By the time they develop the maturity to know this they will be long out of the hobby.

 

[Sparkplug]

Yeh idk about that. Alot of these skis are redone. Hard to find a stock unmolested ski. Trust me. I'm constantly on market place. I'm very familiar with the market. I make a good portion of my income buying, fixing, and selling.

Get on actual marketplace and look at the actual market. Not an opinion of value that is outdated. Value changed a ton in the last 3 years. 1200 bucks is nothing. Especially when it comes to time.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Some of the stuff you need to check is engine compression, crawl up under the ski and eyeball the impeller and especially wear ring, look for bulging in the wear ring, excessive clearance between the wear ring and impeller, grooving on the wear ring, bent blades or nicks in the impeller etc, take a flashlight and possibly an inspection mirror with you so you can actually see what's going on inside the jet pump, look from the back and from up under through the intake grate, grab the engine coupler and see if there is any noticeable play in the midshaft, grab the engine by the exhaust pipe and try to lift it to check for broken engine mounts.

How easily does it start, does the starter kick out while spinning it over, does the engine make any knocking sounds or weird noises when running , does the engine settle back down to a nice idle after revving it or does it try to run away, these are the kind of things you should be checking that may cost you a lot of money down the road, if you find any of these adjust your offer accordingly, there is always an asking price and a price that the guy is willing to let it go for, they are not the same unless you are dealing with someone who takes immaculate care of their ski.

 

[sturat]

If youre willing to spend that you might as well find a round nose from the south and ship it north. 3500 is stock RN territory, 3500 for a square it should be 100% fully loaded. Don't fall for west coast scam pricing.