solenoid trouble? need some help

[rossthaboss11]

i was ripping yesturday and all the sudden the ski shut off. it tried cranking after that but kind of a spiratic crank. then it stopped cranking. got it home and i hit the start button and it doesnt make a peep. took the e box apart and jumped across the solenoid and it cranked and after that the start button worked so i put it back together. now its doing the same thing again it wont make a peep. does the solenoid freeze up ever? maybe a loose ground but i cant find one. any ideas?

 

[Cliff]

sounds like a wire has come loose. check your stop start switch connections and grounds

 

[SXIPro]

The relay can be intermittent. My B1 was doing the same thing. Popped in another relay, been fine ever since.

 

[rossthaboss11]

i took apart the start stop switch and it all looks good, took the connections apart and cleaned them out as well. im thinking its the solenoid but i dont see how that would of caused the ski to shut off on me in the first place. the only other thing is i know my battery is gettin old but i always recharge it and its never caused problems before.

 

[Waternut]

My guess is not on the start switch or the solenoid but the kill switch. If the kill switch was acting up it would've killed the ski and then you couldn't operate the starter without the kill switch acting up because it's like you didn't connect the lanyard in the first place. Dig into that but be careful as the kill switch has lots of little parts that like to fall out.

 

[rossthaboss11]

ok ill give that a try

 

[rossthaboss11]

ok i just found something kind of odd. pulled the ebox back apart and jumped across the solenoid and it cranks again. the start button makes it crank to. but there is no spark. i realized the ski still cranks with no lanyard. it never used to crank without the lanyard attached. what does that mean

 

[Cliff]

the part of the switch that the lanyard goes may be acting up

 

[rossthaboss11]

i was tinkering around with the switch and thats acting back to normal and everytime i hit the start button it still cranks but no spark. ne way to test if the start stop switch is bad? next ill start checking out all the outputs of the stator

 

[Cliff]

unplug the black/white wires by the ebox going to the ss switch. if it cranks, the switch is bad

 

[Waternut]

If you decide it is the switch, you can cut the wires and measure the resistances of each switch. Start and stop should read 0 ohms until pressed and then should read 1. I can't remember which way the kill switch works since I always test it when the whole switch is apart and then it's backwards but one way should read 0 and the other 1.

 

[rossthaboss11]

hmm if thats true cliff then the switch is bad. cause i disconnected the black/white connector and it still cranked. i disconnected the brown/red and it didnt crank

 

[Waternut]

The brown and red wires are for the start button. The black and white handle the kill switch and stop button. If there's a problem with the kill switch or stop button and one is grounding, the start button won't work.

Before you buy another switch, pull the stop and kill switch apart and clean them up with steel wool or fine sand paper. Then squirt dielectric grease on everything and you should be good to go. Takes a couple bucks in grease and 20-30 minutes of time but can save you a good bit of money.

 

[rossthaboss11]

cliff are you sure that its not supposed to crank if the black/white wires are disconnected? i thought that if you disconnect those its still supposed to crank and its supposed to spark. when i did it, it cranked, but didnt spark.

 

[JetManiac]

cliff are you sure that its not supposed to crank if the black/white wires are disconnected? i thought that if you disconnect those its still supposed to crank and its supposed to spark. when i did it, it cranked, but didnt spark.

black/white disconnected- should crank and spark

 

[Cliff]

it should start and fire. if its not sparking, maybe the coil or stator has gone bad. for sh#ts and grins try cutting a little off your plug wires and reassemble. sounds like the switch is good. dont feel bad, i have replaced mine 4 times this summer or robbed parts from my other bad ones to make one good one.

 

[rossthaboss11]

ok thanks for the input ill get it figured out and let you know. but it wont be for a while i had to come back to school

 

[JetManiac]

It is probably not the coil, try testing the stator or swapping the CDI first.

 

[rossthaboss11]

well i got home today and disconnected the black/white connection and still no spark so it must not be the ss switch. its cranking everytime with the start button now. i started checking the output voltages from the stator and im getting nothing. and i noticed something strange, theres these black connectors right after the stator wires come out of the flywheel cover which allow me to disconnect the stator there and when i unplug it the engine wont crank or do anything. i feel like the problem is somewhere here or with the stator. i dont see why diconnecting the brown, white, and black wires from the stator make it not crank.

 

[rossthaboss11]

hmm perhaps that black wire from the stator is the only groung to the ebox?