Super Jet Spark Plugs to Use and Issue Getting Ski Started

gc4

I'd be lost without the x
I just installed a Kommander girdled head (35 cc domes) and an EPIC ignition but I can't get the darn ski to start.

Do I need new plugs? The ones in there right now are the stock model B7HS NGK's.

The spark right now seems weak and inconsistent and won't get the ski to start up.


Thanks.
 

Vumad

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Not sure on that head but I think the ADA heads use ES plugs. Look at the thread on the plug vs the thread on the head. If they don't look right, you need to check the specs. Do NOT put ES plugs in there until you are sure. The ES are longer and WILL DAMAGE the piston if you are suppose to use the HS plug.

Spark often looks weak and inconsistent when checking it off of a head bolt. Try using a test light. They just clip on the top of the piston and the boot clips onto that. They are much better in determining such things.
 

964Chris

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you need BR7ES or BR8ES plugs. You have an aftermarket head that requires the extended length (ES) and the EPIC needs resistor plugs (R). I guarantee the lack of resistor plugs is causing you some crazy issues with the EPIC.
 

Vumad

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you need BR7ES or BR8ES plugs. You have an aftermarket head that requires the extended length (ES) and the EPIC needs resistor plugs (R). I guarantee the lack of resistor plugs is causing you some crazy issues with the EPIC.

the 7 and the 8 identify the heat. I think 7 runs hotter than 8? maybe I have that backwards, 8 is hotter than 7? I forget...
 

Vumad

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What's the general consensus on spark heat for a 701 with a bpipe and 185 compression head?

I can't say for sure, but if it were me, and I were unsure, I would start with the colder plug (8). Too hot will hurt it a lot faster than too cold.
 

Matt_E

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All SJ aftermarket heads take ES plugs. Only the stock head uses HS.
Even if you were to use ES plugs in an HS head, the ES plugs are not long enough to hit the pistons.
Use ES plugs.

Heat range doesn't change the hotness of the spark or anything like that. It changes how well the plug itself conducts heat.
 

gc4

I'd be lost without the x
Bought the BR8ES plugs and the ski started right up. Still haven't been out on the water but things are looking good now.

Is there a specific optimum torque for the spark plugs?
 

Matt_E

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snug then, then a quarter turn to bottom out the crush ring (when new)
DONT TORQUE PLUGS!


http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_support/spark_plugs/installation/


NGK said:
Torque is one of the most critical aspects of spark plug installation. Torque directly affects the spark plugs' ability to transfer heat out of the combustion chamber. A spark plug that is under-torqued will not be fully seated on the cylinder head, hence heat transfer will be slowed. This will tend to elevate combustion chamber temperatures to unsafe levels, and pre-ignition and detonation will usually follow. Serious engine damage is not far behind........

An over-torqued spark plug can suffer from severe stress to the Metal Shell which in turn can distort the spark plug's inner gas seals or even cause a hairline fracture to the spark plug's insulator...in either case, heat transfer can again be slowed and the above mentioned conditions can occur.
The spark plug holes must always be cleaned prior to installation, otherwise you may be torquing against dirt or debris and the spark plug may actually end up under-torqued, even though your torque wrench says otherwise. Of course, you should only install spark plugs in a cool engine, because metal expands when it's hot and installation may prove difficult. Proper torque specs for both aluminum and cast iron cylinder heads are listed below.
 
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