Stand up ski experience and advice needed.

I have had a Kawasaki JS300 lol...it was very fun and super light but a 300 single...very very low power lol. I had a Kawi 440, dog. I had a 650sx...dog until I modified the crap out of it and then it really became fun. I learned a lot on it. The thing I really disliked about it though was sketchy electrics. If you push the start button too hard it would kick out the starter, a lighter pressure and it would fire up all the time, but they were also known to keep the CDI/coil (Kawi calls it igniter) charged so if you did not ride in a week or two, the battery needed to be charged. Last year I had the displeasure of riding a 750sx. The steering throw was terrible, very limited on turning radius and it felt like I was balancing on a pencil. It was very prone to rolling over and again was a real dog for the engine it had. Also the 750's had a lot of electrical gremlins that seemed to never fully go away for any real length of time. I worked on one just a couple of months ago and spent almost a month troubleshooting electrical issues. Get one issue cleaned up and 2 more arose. I've never seen such a thing to deal with before.

The SX-R 800 has good power right out of the crate but put a pipe on it and then the crank starts to see excessive stress. I believe Kawi has tuned that engine to it's full potential in terms of running the ragged edge on crank reliability. A friend of mine did nothing more than put a B-pipe on his 800 engines and every year the pto connecting rod would snap and saw the crankcase in half. He went through 4 SX-R 800 engines! It's not the first time I have read about this too, I believe Group K also has a write up on this somewhere on their site. I used to be a big Kawi supporter and mainly because where I live it's almost all that is available since Yamaha did not allow sales of the SuperJet to take place in Canada. But after I found my SuperJet and set it up nicely, it was easily twice the potency of my buddy's stockish SX-R 800. He loved the power so much he sold his and went on a hunt for a 96-07 SuperJet...but he ended up getting a Kawi couch to take his wife out on long cruise rides. The moral of the story, Yamaha has proven themselves to have excellent electrics and easy to diagnose, and very reliable crankshafts. Plus the parts availability both oem and aftermarket are almost endless, not so easy to locate Kawi parts by comparison.

http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?threads/sxr-800-broken-rod.50595/
http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=156519

Group K quote "It is common knowledge, among stand up racers, that modified SuperJets have considerably better crankshaft life than modified SXRs"

http://www.groupk.com/k849.htm
 
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Vumad

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St. Pete, FL
Thanks guys for all the input it's exactly what I need and was hoping for!
A 1990 yamaha superjet was just listed for $800 with a trailer it looks like likes it's in very good shape is that a good deal or is it to old?

My first ski was a $800 650sx. A square nose would have been a better start, but if I could do it over again, I would have dropped at least $2000 on something in much better condition. 650sx aside, it constantly broke until the crank exploded. It's a boat, so cheap costs you money.

I went cheap because I was 18 and had no idea about the sport. I wanted to be able to cut my losses. I got something I felt was easy to recover from, which worked out I taught myself to ride and met someone who sent me here.

I'd be looking to budget $4000 for a ski if I was buying something knowing I wanted to be in the sport a few years. A b-pipe is $1000 alone so investing the money upfront for a minty limited can save a boatload over the life of your ski, and let's not forget how much time I had a wrench in my hand. There's a reason I am better at composites than riding, I have more time invested in repairs and upgrades than anything else in the sport. If I could do it over...
 

Vumad

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You're way ahead of where I was already. I had a turd couch but I had to buy a standup to find this place.

Make arrangements with local riders to try different skis. People will let you test ride if you come across as a serious buyer

ask people who aren't selling and their honest opinions of what they have, what they want, and will let you try for yourself. It's not right to waste a sellers time if you're not ready to buy plus you won't get an honest opinion of their ski.
 
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All this advice is fantastic!
I would love to test ride some standups before I plunk down that kind of cash but out here in hatteras nc there is nobody that rides standups, I'm kind of breaking new water getting a standup, the 1990 yamaha superjet had the 650engine and the guy jacked the price because he got so much interest plus it was 7hrs away so I decided to pass.
 

King Kang

Never enough tray time...
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Cary, NC
Look for the organizer of the Carolina beach freeride event. He is active on here and on Facebook, and I've seen him post really good prices on boats and skis. There's also a Charleston SC rider group that is active on Facebook too. You might be able to talk someone into letting you demo their ski.

http://www.x-h2o.com/index.php?forums/carolina-beach-freeride.148/

IMHO, $800 on a good condition 650 Superjet is a great price. The 6m6 motor is overshadowed by the two 701s, but it is powerful enough to pull you around. I'm 6'4 190 and my 650 with light mods pulls as hard as a stock twin card 701 all through 65% throttle. That's when the never motor just has more power and a higher rev limit. You can definitely tell the difference between the two motors, but the feel isn't as drastic as you might imagine.

If you get a pre-08 Superjet, you'll need to get a new prop for it immediately. The old aluminum impeller just stinks- it has ridiculous cavitation. The cavitation hurts your acceleration and your handling, so imagine having a 350hp sports car with skinny worn out tires on the back. I wish I'd bought my hooker 9/15 impeller on day one.
 
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Thanks Kang for the tips, I'll be sure to change out the prop and wear ring on a pre08 superjet.
What else should I go ahead and change out and replace when I get as far as maintence and later on upgrades?
 

Vumad

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St. Pete, FL
Thanks Kang for the tips, I'll be sure to change out the prop and wear ring on a pre08 superjet.
What else should I go ahead and change out and replace when I get as far as maintence and later on upgrades?

You shouldn't need to change the wear ring unless its warped or damaged. You don't necessarily have to upgrade the prop right away.

Just look it over for things that might break and fix those. Go ride it. It wont take you long to figure out which parts to upgrade.
 

King Kang

Never enough tray time...
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Cary, NC
Thanks Kang for the tips, I'll be sure to change out the prop and wear ring on a pre08 superjet.
What else should I go ahead and change out and replace when I get as far as maintenance and later on upgrades?

Basic things that will probably need attention- spark plugs, fuel filter, battery, hood seal, turf.
The start stop switch can be prone to failure, and I'd get a shock pad because of the tendency for the handle pole to slam down on the hood. You might need to clean the carb up. The foam under the tray might be waterlogged, weighing the ski down too.

Vumad's right- you should ride it before upgrading anything. IMHO, the prop is still the best bang for the buck in the beginning.
 
I'm kinda in the same boat as the the OP. Except I already have a super jet, just haven't really ridden it. I got the SNSJ with 650, and a wetjet kraze. Road the SJ once before I started the rebuild that got stalled out.

If this is a thread Jack, LMK Ill delete it.


But Why a Superjet?
I have ridden the hell out of a stock 550, a 550/650 conversion I did, but it has a crap prop. And now I have a super modded 550 with every bolt on I can think of that I love (when it run, shes in the middle of a engine rebuild :( .
I got the two running 550s, running wave jammer on a PTI trailer for 700$ And the running Modded 550 that has westcoast everything, ported, polished and milled head (210PSI), true/welded crank...ect ect. For less the $800.
Cant get a decent SJ for how much I have paid for all of my skis.


So in terms of how the modded JS550 runs and rides. Or even a stock one. How does a stock SN superJet with a 701 compare? Everyone always says get a superjet, but not really why.

I rode the SJ once, and it felt heavy and boatish to me. It turned when I turned the bars, didnt drift like I'm used to. Didn't have any launch-ability. Plowed through wakes, couldn't jump it at all. Was dam stable ill give it that. Not sure if I like stable for freestyle type riding though.

I understand mine was underpowered with the 650, but it was well tuned. And that it mostlikely was heavy from the crack on the back deck. But I still expected, like....more. To be llike "Wooahh everyone was right I need a SJ!!"

People who have ridden a both 550s and stock-ish SJs. How is the superjet better? Besides reliability. Piston port motors cant compete with reeds. I get that. I seized my js550/650 3 times in 1 day from not knowing my cooling line was clogged. EFfer still starts and runs.
 

smoofers

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I'm kinda in the same boat as the the OP. Except I already have a super jet, just haven't really ridden it. I got the SNSJ with 650, and a wetjet kraze. Road the SJ once before I started the rebuild that got stalled out.

If this is a thread Jack, LMK Ill delete it.


But Why a Superjet?
I have ridden the hell out of a stock 550, a 550/650 conversion I did, but it has a crap prop. And now I have a super modded 550 with every bolt on I can think of that I love (when it run, shes in the middle of a engine rebuild :( .
I got the two running 550s, running wave jammer on a PTI trailer for 700$ And the running Modded 550 that has westcoast everything, ported, polished and milled head (210PSI), true/welded crank...ect ect. For less the $800.
Cant get a decent SJ for how much I have paid for all of my skis.


So in terms of how the modded JS550 runs and rides. Or even a stock one. How does a stock SN superJet with a 701 compare? Everyone always says get a superjet, but not really why.

I rode the SJ once, and it felt heavy and boatish to me. It turned when I turned the bars, didnt drift like I'm used to. Didn't have any launch-ability. Plowed through wakes, couldn't jump it at all. Was dam stable ill give it that. Not sure if I like stable for freestyle type riding though.

I understand mine was underpowered with the 650, but it was well tuned. And that it mostlikely was heavy from the crack on the back deck. But I still expected, like....more. To be llike "Wooahh everyone was right I need a SJ!!"

People who have ridden a both 550s and stock-ish SJs. How is the superjet better? Besides reliability. Piston port motors cant compete with reeds. I get that. I seized my js550/650 3 times in 1 day from not knowing my cooling line was clogged. EFfer still starts and runs.

A stock 650 SN will never wow anybody. A stock 96+ roundnose will definitely make you a fan. A well tuned 61x or 62t with a B-pipe will make you a believer (on a RN or SN).

I met a guy at the lake last summer who had a 750 swappped X2. I let him ride my SN (limited 701 setup with a 9/16 hooker). He couldn't BELIEVE that the setup was only bolt-ons. "Dude that thing has SO MUCH power! Now I know why everybody loves super jets!" - his exact words.
 
Compared to a stock 550. I was lead to believe that the 550 was garbage. lol
I don't think my waterlogged 650 would be magical by any-means. I was just hope to feel a hint of its potential. A small change in HP shouldn't change how it handles THAT much does it?

I'm just curious as to what Im missing out on, people ask every time I bring it to the lake if my SJ is for sale. I always tell them no. And that they dont want it anyway, its a project in progress (I just leave it on my 3 place trailer). But now I'm wondering if I should sell it, or see the project through. I have the the superjet with crap hull with all the parts. A good SJ hull with no parts. The only thing needing to be done is get the wet jet Kraze exhaust cut and welded and change over to the good hull.
I just haven't done that for some reason.

Can the SN slide out and get squirrely like a 550 does? Finding experience riders on stock Superjets on you tube is rare. I'm trying to gauge their performance envelope/abilities.
 

smoofers

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Can the SN slide out and get squirrely like a 550 does? Finding experience riders on stock Superjets on you tube is rare. I'm trying to gauge their performance envelope/abilities.

With a stock ride plate it slides very easily. I would recommend you do the quicksteer mod to your nozzle (drill a hole and move your steering ball closer towards the nozzle - free) and you'll notice a huge difference.
 
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I live in jarvisburg just before kitty hawk bridge !were can you ride in ocean their im interested i will send you pm

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Hahaha y'all have done a good job of convincing me to wait and find a Yamaha superjet and I think I'll wait for a 701.
 
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