Sub trouble

[NV JBIRD]

I got a fairly stock sn 650 w/ pipe. I can't seem to get the back end of ski up high enough to get the right entry angle. I just smack the nose hard. I do the pre launch hop and tuck my head down and push forward on the pole but NO GO. Thanks for any help

 

[AtomicPunk]

Gotta go old school, wedge your feet outward and pull up...
It is certainly a combined movement of pre-hop, jump, pull up the back end, and transfer some weight into the pole/nose, then DUCK!

 

[icecoled007]

You really gotta shove hard on the bars to push the nose down. More than you think. Once you do it a few times you will get used to it.

 

[Mark44]

Do you have foot holds?

 

[NV JBIRD]

No footholds just lifters on the sides.

 

[B3IS]

Stuff it, dump it, dunk it.

 

[Wakerider26]

Sounds strange, but go a little faster than you think you need to. Its key.

 

[swapmeet]

Foot strap, helps get the back up and the front pointed down.

 

[rasper99]

Full tank of gas helps a lot.

Here is a video I shot that shows fulls speed, 1/2 speed and 1/4 speed up close:

 

[sxi steve]

You can do um without straps or footholds. Don't need to go out and spend the time and money for a sub!

Tecnnique and practice.

Sounds like ya might need more speed, the prehop will slow ya down a bit.

 

[Freakrider]

I could not learn them until I stopped doing the pre hop, 1 quick motion pulling up hard with your legs.

 

[djraider700]

I could not learn them until I stopped doing the pre hop, 1 quick motion pulling up hard with your legs.

Same here. I don't do the pre hop. Just one hop up and throw the front in the water. I actually over-sub most of the time, going straight down.

 

[jetpilot36]

the reason some are telling you to go faster,is so the jetski wil be on a level plane.if you're going slow,the nose will be pointed up and the rideplate will be in the water.if you get up on a plane and level,its easier to achieve that angle that you need to penetrate the surface.

 

[Droste14]

i have a problem with to much angle on to little water... hit the bottom pretty good. over extended my pole and spiderwebbed my fresh paint on it

 

[Snivilous]

You really gotta shove hard on the bars to push the nose down. More than you think. Once you do it a few times you will get used to it.

Yea. I once read this one guy say it's 90% mental, 10% skill. Like Ice said, you really want to push that nose down. It feels really weird like your gonna kill yourself but then it turns out fine.

Jump (or no jump), push super hard down, pull legs up, duck. And don't gun the throttle right away when you enter or you resurface right away I find.

There's also the method where you stand as far forward as possible in the tray (or on the rails), then move the handle pole all the way forward and lean, then slow down and the nose will start to sink, and once it sinks enough you punch it and just shoot under. My favorite personally of the three I can do

 

[Snivilous]

i have a problem with to much angle on to little water... hit the bottom pretty good. over extended my pole and spiderwebbed my fresh paint on it

I have the problem I don't weigh enough to stay under. The hull keeps floating up on me Primarily when I try to turn/power sub my body won't sink the damn ski!

 

[EvanKrefski]

if i were you, dont do that many subs and learn how to do some 180 nose stabs, because subs destroy your stuff. you can get water in the motor and hydro lock it. Also i think 180s look alot cooler. and again you dont neeed foot holds or straps do do 180s either.

 

[Mark Gomez]

this trick is better, cleaner and easier with speed. Its a little spooky but go a little bit faster than you think. Give a hard push into the pole to get the nose to hit and be rejected by the water use that to quickly pull and get your nose out of the water. You dont need a ton of height less than a half foot is plenty if your moving quickly. The most important part at this stage is to not just push your body, but rather focus on staying low and centered while focusing on pushing your handlebars into the pivot bolt of your handlepole bracket. at the same time your lowered centered stance is your two feet wedged into the sides of the ski. your goal here in the air as well as the push into the bars is to get the tray of the ski as close to your ass as you can. Now you just commit and go along for the ride using hardly any throttle on the way down. The speed will get you down. on your way up you can lightly use throttle but you need all the air in your ski to accelerate out of it cleanly while your ski drains all of the water from its hood. So all in all its more speed and light finesse than a big muscle pre hop to a full power face auger.
I spent a ton of time dialing this trick in before I rode surf on my 550 so utilizing speed and minimizing the use of throttle and muscle was big on getting deeper and more consistent subs.
A big help for me learning all of this was watching Rippen freestyle with Larry Rippenkroeger.
Rip it!

 

[Serio]

Now I'm no expert but spending as much time as I have trying to master a sub, my only tip I can give you is pull up with your legs! The first time I did a good sub was when I started practicing the foot lift part. I started practicing subs in sections, first hop, push down the bars, pop the ski out of the water, and don't focus on the handpole, but focus on lifting the tray. The angle is going to be more affected by the tray lift then the bars. This is just my 2 cents.

 

[LeftysRule22]

When I was learning I found that timing was more important than any amount of muscle. Timing the pull-up and throwing weight forward motion was key, in fact i throw my weight forward a tad bit sooner than I pull up the tray. I often overrotate subs that way. Now its kinda second nature and it all happens at once.