The flatwater BF is dead.
- Thread starter WaveDemon
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I couldn't agree more with the original post... I'm just not impressed by guys with 30k skis doing backflips, it's like being impressed that a guy in Ferrari did a 0-60 run in 3.1 seconds. Sure, maybe a more skilled driver could get the car to 60 in 2.9 seconds, but who the hell cares anymore? It's a Ferrari, and it takes no skill to make the thing go fast...
Flatwater freestyle is practically dead. Sure, there's still skill required, but it's nothing like the skill that used to be required to actually do a big trick... not even close. The hulls are customized, pumps are set back, angled, and tuned to practically flip and roll themselves with a quick flick of the throttle. Maybe his roll isn't as pretty as you'd get from a pro, but the simple fact that he can do it... it's just like watching the guy the Ferrari go fast.
And don't try to lump me in with the "he just can't afford it" group... claiming I'm jealous of something I'll never have. I'm not going to get into my income, I'll just say that if I wanted a 30k ski, I'd own a 30k ski.
Maybe it's because I've been riding for almost 20 years, and I'm just nostalgic... but, the direction of flatwater just makes me sad.
-G
Flatwater freestyle is practically dead. Sure, there's still skill required, but it's nothing like the skill that used to be required to actually do a big trick... not even close. The hulls are customized, pumps are set back, angled, and tuned to practically flip and roll themselves with a quick flick of the throttle. Maybe his roll isn't as pretty as you'd get from a pro, but the simple fact that he can do it... it's just like watching the guy the Ferrari go fast.
And don't try to lump me in with the "he just can't afford it" group... claiming I'm jealous of something I'll never have. I'm not going to get into my income, I'll just say that if I wanted a 30k ski, I'd own a 30k ski.
Maybe it's because I've been riding for almost 20 years, and I'm just nostalgic... but, the direction of flatwater just makes me sad.
-G
deftons56
Brian
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- lake goodwin
Are you kidding me? A superman flip flatwater is "dead" compared to your nostalgic hood tricks? The sport is progressing... grow with it or be left behind.
I don't get the hating.
- Location
- Central Florida
to everyone who is hating on us big motor aftermarket hull riders at least we are putting money into the sport, what are you doing for it with this thread?
WaveDemon
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- Hell, Florida
you cfl guys are terrible at disagreements.
I can see you side of the argument, you should be celebrating the death of the BF and push yourselves to do new things. take the lead from lee stone and his flip variation and keep going. why so defensive? you should be happy.
- Location
- South Florida
I don't see the bf as dead. I just see it getting pushed aside as the "sought after" trick to learn in order to make way for something else. Double? Barrel roll BF combo(or is that an underflip?)? Who knows? We are progressing with bigger HP and better hulls. Right now they cost a lot of money but the prices will come down as even better things come out. Look at how much used big bore motors sell for now compared to how much they were when they first came out. Look at the price difference between a new aftermarket hull and a used older model aftermarket hull. I think it is a great thing.
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- South Florida
We all know backflips are fun and cool and easy to do in the surf (if you have balls) but hard on flat water. Now they are getting easier on flat water with recent innovations. Right now those innovations are expensive. That doesn't mean backflips aren't as much fun as before. They may not be as cool to you but they will still be fun to do and will drop tops at the lakes for years to come. Rant over.
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- Central Florida
are you just pissed cause you never rode a ski that can do a flatwater backflip?
Holy backflip discussion Batman!
I can see where guys are coming from with these views, but lets cool down and not overreact.
'Flatwater backflip is dead'
Yes, it is easier than ever to try/land one given the right hull/motor. It is however still not easy. I have seen at least 3 first time 1000cc riders try lucas' ski and bail, flail, cut their chins open, etc. In short, these otherwise experienced surf riders could not even do 1 backflip let alone even get comfortable on the angry flatwater beast.
'Flatwater freestyle is practically dead' is an absolutely absurd statement (said with no ill will). The truth (as I see it) is flatwater freestyle is in its infancy. There is an absolutely vibrant, healthy and growing market for aftermarket hulls, MAG pumps, and bigger motors for flatwater. Most people do not live near a good surf break or any surf break for that matter. Most get to ride on ponds, lakes, streams, and rivers. Consequently many people are interested in maximizing their flatwater fun.
New tricks and variations are coming, but that doesn't mean backflips are dead. Yes, maybe they are passe' in some circles, but why all the hating?
'next we want to see a bf with a varial 360 twist to blind!' -those are already being done
I can see where guys are coming from with these views, but lets cool down and not overreact.
'Flatwater backflip is dead'
Yes, it is easier than ever to try/land one given the right hull/motor. It is however still not easy. I have seen at least 3 first time 1000cc riders try lucas' ski and bail, flail, cut their chins open, etc. In short, these otherwise experienced surf riders could not even do 1 backflip let alone even get comfortable on the angry flatwater beast.
'Flatwater freestyle is practically dead' is an absolutely absurd statement (said with no ill will). The truth (as I see it) is flatwater freestyle is in its infancy. There is an absolutely vibrant, healthy and growing market for aftermarket hulls, MAG pumps, and bigger motors for flatwater. Most people do not live near a good surf break or any surf break for that matter. Most get to ride on ponds, lakes, streams, and rivers. Consequently many people are interested in maximizing their flatwater fun.
New tricks and variations are coming, but that doesn't mean backflips are dead. Yes, maybe they are passe' in some circles, but why all the hating?
'next we want to see a bf with a varial 360 twist to blind!' -those are already being done
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Wavedemon is obviously jealous, the surf is where it's at? Yeah, there's videos of kids on 550's doing backflips in the surf now. So IMO surf is dead, you can hop on a clapped out 550 an pull Backies in the surf, not gonna do that on flatwater. Instead of spending money on a superjunk, he should have bought a decent hull in the first place, then he wouldn't be on here whining. Save your lunch money or stfu.
onlyFX-1
Jace Forest...BRAP!
- Location
- Lake Travis,Texas
How is it new info to yo that it cost money to do flatwater back flips?
No one can flatwater flip a stock hull with a limited engine. Therefor it cost money. Does that suck...yes, but if you don't like it than find a new sport.
To me watching a guy on a carbon hull with a 1100cc 16mill stroker engine doing back flips is the same as a guy hitting a wave at the perfect time where the wave does most of the work to flip you.
It's all good, I'm workin on that front flip=)
No one can flatwater flip a stock hull with a limited engine. Therefor it cost money. Does that suck...yes, but if you don't like it than find a new sport.
To me watching a guy on a carbon hull with a 1100cc 16mill stroker engine doing back flips is the same as a guy hitting a wave at the perfect time where the wave does most of the work to flip you.
It's all good, I'm workin on that front flip=)
WaveDemon
Not Dead - Notable Member
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- Hell, Florida
my point was an unskilled rider can now flip. It's like a carnival ride, who wants to watch people ride a carnival ride?
onlyFX-1
Jace Forest...BRAP!
- Location
- Lake Travis,Texas
That doesn't mean the flatwater flip is dead. Grow up man, do you think everyone has that ski? Peolpe are still flatwater flipping with WAY less than that and it's just as Hard as it always was. You see for the first time that money can buy a flip and throw a little fit.
Almost all motor sports are like that. Money buys good equipment which will more than likely get you further ahead. Just how life works
Almost all motor sports are like that. Money buys good equipment which will more than likely get you further ahead. Just how life works
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WaveDemon
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- Hell, Florida
why did the original thread get closed? I created this one to take the drama away from it.
Is that not also true of a surf flip?
- Location
- Stevensville, MD
WaveDemon
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- Hell, Florida
no, I don't think so. Not the way it was portrayed in the original thread. I've seen josh say repeatedly that he's not a good rider then post some nice flip vids so I figure he's just being modest (I still think he's being modest actually). Then he posts a vid of his brother and emphasis how little he rides and shows the flip. Then, he says his wife will do it, to me, inferring anyone can do it.
I've watched enough cherry busters in daytona to know it's not quite that easy to pull off but I think it has more to do with gunning it up a vertical chest high wave than skill level. Not to mention, the amplitude is much greater and the wipe outs of an unskilled rider are usually pretty dramatic.
Idok
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