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- Valley Springs, CA
You guys have to at least like the flywheel I mean come on give us something 
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The newly released JSTL Inc, TL ignition module...with a touch of OCD!
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waxhead
wannabe backflipper
- Location
- gold coast
The inductive pickup as in the 760 system does not require you to put 12 volts down to it unlike the hall effect senor. I have not pulled them apart and gone through the circuit on the bench and I have no need to. I know anytime you're sending 12 volts around a jet-ski you are asking for green wires.
If you read back you will see i never called the hall effect out dated other than in an two stroke ignition system. My challenge to you would be to find a modern and when i say modern i mean anything with in the last 20 years two stroke ignition system that uses an hall effect sensor.
All the early two stroke kv igntions and pjs etc used a hall effect sensor.
I know of another company that uses hall effect senors in their ignition that are having issues with them playing up as well
Do you think some how the oem manufacturers got it wrong ?
If you read back you will see i never called the hall effect out dated other than in an two stroke ignition system. My challenge to you would be to find a modern and when i say modern i mean anything with in the last 20 years two stroke ignition system that uses an hall effect sensor.
All the early two stroke kv igntions and pjs etc used a hall effect sensor.
I know of another company that uses hall effect senors in their ignition that are having issues with them playing up as well
Do you think some how the oem manufacturers got it wrong ?
waxhead
wannabe backflipper
- Location
- gold coast
The flywheel looks awesome and some one has done a great engineering job on itYou guys have to at least like the flywheel I mean come on give us something
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Christian_83
Xscream
- Location
- Denmark
Well i guess if you spoken to Borut about this, or had an knowledge about ignitions like @waxhead has, you would know the answer. The only knowledge i have, is reading a bit, @waxhead and from talking to Borut.
Hall effect sensor is less precise than inductive sensor, so the become less accurate at high RPM. But for the jetski application we dont need that high RPM - so hall effect sensor can be used.
So i gotta back @waxhead, he didn't say hall effect sensor was outdated - just asked to find a modern two stroke engine from past 20 years that used hall effect sensor instead of magnetic or inductive pickup - can you do that?
- Location
- stockton
I really like Jared. But sometimes proving points just gives up too much info. When we do a release I’ll try and cover every piece of the kit that makes it better. Even down to the flywheel not being 6061, cause we all know they crack or oblong the key way.
Christian_83
Xscream
- Location
- Denmark
@sinisterjosh209 one thing i would like to know is, you are stating that 100% of the ignition is made in the US. How is this possible when the heart or "brain" of the setup if actually made in Slovenia?
waxhead
wannabe backflipper
- Location
- gold coast
Yes please do. i have no issue with you, its x2stroker that dragged me into this one, this is why i wrote what i did previously.
Im pretty much done in here with this, i have no desire to argue about it anymore unless x2stroker starts me again.
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Big Kahuna
Administrator
- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
Where is this new flywheel?
- Location
- Valley Springs, CA
“I also could not see the sense in changing to an older style pickup when you already have a modern pickup in the 760”
What’s this you said?
Funny you say last 20 years. I just received Husqvarna’s newest series of chainsaws in my shop a few days ago, I’ll have to double check but according to them they are now using a Hall effect style pickup for the microprocessor controlling the fuel solenoid. Now this may be new to you since your stuck on 760 but here in the states, we have mostly 4 strokes. Most 2 stroke anything has been phased out, so we both know that what you are asking me to provide is irrelevant as most manufactures still use stators in production units.
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- stockton
What do I actually win? Silence?
- Location
- Valley Springs, CA
See unlike the oem manufactured pickups, Hall effects are used in numerous industries for proximity sensing. So your oem pickups are limited to when Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki, etc wants to invest in improving or changing the design. Now if it doesn’t need to change that’s understandable and great! But in our case weight and size was a factor also. Which most likely won’t change in an oem pickup
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- stockton
PS. Some of us know the ending to the Blunderjet.
Big Kahuna
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- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
Yup, so do I. But we will never see it printed....................
On Facebook if that's the newest one?
The kit looks super legit, ready to go out of the box. Wired and programmed. I think they are on to a solid idea here.
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Big Kahuna
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- Tuscaloosa, AL
That is clean
I thought so too. They are using stock superjet bolt pattern too, so it will all bolt right in for most. No professional builders needed to make it look and work right. I think that is where they are going with it. Pre programmed tune ready to go, with the option to get custom tunes.
The only thing I don't like about the hall sensor is the 20g wires. I ended up splicing the wires at the stator plate to 18g and mounting the 20g to the stator plate. The only issue ive had was my bendix blew from a flop and it cut my hall sensor. Seems to be a solid kit overall and that was on me, ha ha.
Super cool to hear things are moving forward. Josh helped me get me and a few others get a flywheel when this first came out.
I would highly recommend Josh and buy with confidence. I also appreciate all the good tips that Waxhead gives out too man. I know these guys are all just trying to help out the sport at a small cost and good faith.
That's just my two cents.
Super cool to hear things are moving forward. Josh helped me get me and a few others get a flywheel when this first came out.
I would highly recommend Josh and buy with confidence. I also appreciate all the good tips that Waxhead gives out too man. I know these guys are all just trying to help out the sport at a small cost and good faith.
That's just my two cents.
- Location
- Valley Springs, CA
We have found a solution to the small sensor wire. When or if you ever have to replace sensors again shoot me a pm, I have all previous styles of backing plates on hand so I can imitate our updated pigtail with new sensors to the first style “pedestal” backing plate
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Nice Dude, I also had an issue with start stop too, but once I switched thst to deutsch connectors it went away. I am using the thrust shifty kit. So it was probably on me too.
Stoked to see you guys moving to to next level. Cool to watch you ride too Man! Old guy just having fun.
Stoked to see you guys moving to to next level. Cool to watch you ride too Man! Old guy just having fun.
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- stockton
Well before I start a new thread, I’ll start here as there is a lot of info of where the original jstl kit was started. As stated above I have taken over jstl. Against @x2stroker wishes I will be changing the name to CPI, competition programmable ignitions. The cdi concept from the original jstl was used as a great starting platform to improve on. Thus, the reason for the name change. Different, so it needs a new name. With out getting too specific into the technical aspects of what was changed, some of the original electrical parameters are different. All for the better. Now the stuff that I will talk about, as of now, that has changed to make this kit one of the best ever produced. From a glance, all kits will come pre wired and pre mapped to take way some of the confusion associated with total loss. If you can line up marks on a oem stator plate, you can install this kit. Mass amounts of real world testing was done over the last 2 years, on various engine manufacturers motors to produce these pre programmed ignition curves. Units will come programmed w/ pump gas and race gas curves. The curve switch will not come installed so that a user error can be avoided. With the switch not connected the unit will always resort to map 1, which is pump. These curves are both on the safe side and will work for 98% of riders. This includes all motor sizes. It helps eliminate detonation issues w/ first time users. Pre ignition issues we cannot help with! Static is already verified for the user. Line it up and turn the switch on. You will notice the flywheel does not have timing marks, only to help cut down on overthinkers and ease of install. We did all the hard work for u. 1% are capable of creating their own curve and really start fine tuning their setup to produce the most power. In this case, cable, software and micro degree wheel will be provided. The last 1% of actual tuners will be select dealers that will be given the support and tools needed to build custom curves for specific applications and get competitors every last bit of hp they deserve and need. The programmability of this unit is unmatched and can be so finely tuned no other total loss can compete. Backing plate, pickups, and magnet placement were all changed not only for more accurate timing but also for proprietary ignition performance reasons. No more buying an unassailabled kit, having to send a flywheel off to have lightened or asking for advice of where to set your dip switches. Flywheels are “not” soft 60/61 and come with a thicker ring gear for improved longevity. The key way is machined to precision tolerance to help with strength and reliability that we have lacked in the past with lightweight wheels. Up from there, we go into actual deutsch and oem run/stop connectors. Literally plug and play! Every part used down to even the solenoid, was the best money can buy. Quality fuse holder and waterproof rotary on/off switch included. Bad a$$ coils and wires not only for best performance but also to prevent radio frequencies that can cause misfires. It’s the only way to make a total loss system the most reliable. Yes we use a Hall effect sensor for pick up. Rest assured these sensors that can be prone to failure, due to mechanical issues like bendix coming apart, are cheap to replace. 13$ to be exact. Compare that to magnetic pickups and you will understand what sets us apart. Our concerns were the same as everyone’s! That lead us down this lengthy r&d path! I now have the confidence in this kit to produce it for the public and offer a warranty on the cdi. Obviously modifications or willful errors to the kit will void warranty. Example, you pop the fuse to the brain because your choice of wire routing chafed the wires, and your buddy gives you a 50 amp fuse. The cdi does have protection unlike current competitors units but no electrical part is foolproof. Good news even if the worst case happens the cdi is repairable. We are currently working on packaging, new logo, wiring schematic, disclaimer, instructions and dealer relationships. There will be few that are authorized and capable. This will help us give actual “real” customer support should you need any. Here is another picture although the full release photos will show all parts included and packaging. MSRP will be 1799.95 usd. We understand some may be skeptical and for that reason we will offer first 5 public kits at 1619.95. Upon comparison of what you get, will you understand the value offered with this kit. In the words of the “iceman”, to be the best u have to beat the best! And we did!
