- Location
- Cleveland, Ohio
Ok, "back up" ski.. My bad. Either way, I would love to see what he can do with the SF and TPE combo.
Ok, "back up" ski.. My bad. Either way, I would love to see what he can do with the SF and TPE combo.
- Location
- Richmond, Virginia
Yep. I did the graphics on that ski.
- Location
- Richmond, Virginia
We weighed my XS1200 back to back and if i remember correctly it was 20-23 lbs heavier than Ants TPE1200.
mike b
Michael "Mayhem" Bevacqua aka MikeyChan
- Location
- California
Actually I heard the 62t cases are what is keeping price down. I believe the 66e was going to be about 1k more.
And as far as pricing the 1105 was about 6k, the 900co is 7400, so a 1200 being at $8900 really isn't that bad of a price jump. Of course from the 1105 to the 1200 yes it is. Either way last time I looked it was cheaper than the xs1200rr and power i have no doubt is close to with probably a bit more bottom end. All from looking at videos and not that I have tested any 1200.
- Location
- QLD, Australia
Thanks for info, makes sense now compared to 900cc. 900cc and 1200cc are comp ready motors comparable to 1200rr extreme.
Any idea of maintenance of the 1200... I.e. Hours between a rebuild, anyone have an idea of how many hours they are getting between rebuilds.
Love the power of the 1200's but rebuilding them every 50 hours gets a bit tiring, looking for longevity in a big power plant, am hoping the TPE1200 is the answer.
I was just assuming 66E cases would have been cheaper than billet cases. What cases is the 900 comp engine using?
Christian_83
Xscream
- Location
- Denmark
The TPE 900 CO uses normal 62T cases and because its a 4mm stroker on 89mm pistons, the cases do not need trenching, although heavy port work is done.
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
- Location
- Georgetown ca
There is only a few people making 16m cranks.
The cost of a 16m is much more then a 10m.
So add the Bullet cases and crank your looking at chunk of change.
As for looking for reliability and longevity in a big horsepower motor that basically eats as much water then it doesn air and gas. Not to mention the trigger gets pulled more times then a meth addict on a machine gun on front line of a war.
The cost of a 16m is much more then a 10m.
So add the Bullet cases and crank your looking at chunk of change.
As for looking for reliability and longevity in a big horsepower motor that basically eats as much water then it doesn air and gas. Not to mention the trigger gets pulled more times then a meth addict on a machine gun on front line of a war.
mike b
Michael "Mayhem" Bevacqua aka MikeyChan
- Location
- California
That would be a question for Erik to answer as far as how much life to expect out of them between rebuilds. On something that expensive I would much rather rebuild the wearable parts compared to something grenade and be out an entire short block out of convenience. Just like said above you are talking about a big horsepower machine. Not sure the difference of specs between the 1105 and the 1200 but I know the 1105 can take a lot of use. Maybe consider one of those with all the right bolt ons to get the power and reliability, unless they say the 1200 is close to it as far as how many hours between inspection. And remember 50 hours of riding is about 250gallons of use depending on how you ride.
@thomps33 Just like @Christian_83 said, 62t cases that Erik does some work to for the 4mil stroke. And I thought you meant the 66e cases verses the 62t in the same material. Yes I'd assume the 66e stock cases verse the 62t billet would be cheaper. Not sure if billet cases are required for the 1200 tho or if that was a customer who wanted them. Good question for @Lm12 to hopefully shed some light.
- Location
- Richmond, Virginia
Billet cases are required for the TPE1200. At this point I believe DASA is your best bet but plan on waiting for them.
wsuwrhr
Purveyor of the Biggest Brapp
- Location
- Alta Loma, working in Upland
Other people build billet cases.
Going to a 16mm crank in a 62t platform is expensive and would require many more rebuilds in a less amount of time than a XS1200 on a 66e platform. Why?...because a 66e platform has much more case volume and only needs a 6mil stroke to achieve 1200cc displacement. A 6mil will go almost 2-3x's longer than a 16mil. I realize DASA's 16mil was a disappointment to a lot of us so maybe TPE has their shortblock set-up figured out w the correct porting and better bearings!...only time will tell but I'm interested to see.
BTW I know the XS1200 is a strong motor, but has been criticized for how soft it is on the bottom. X Scream produces their own new XS 52mm carbs! They supposedly make a world of difference on bottom, something to consider.
BTW I know the XS1200 is a strong motor, but has been criticized for how soft it is on the bottom. X Scream produces their own new XS 52mm carbs! They supposedly make a world of difference on bottom, something to consider.
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Proformance1
Liquid Insanity
- Location
- New York Crew
FYI the TPE 1105 10mm i ran last year looked new when taken apart after being ridden by over 40 different riders and having close to 250 gals through it. PHP crank, Zack said it looked new also. I understand you are looking for a 1200, but IMO best bang for the buck is still the 10mm motors. FYI I have a 16mm DASA.
Erik isnt on here much so best to call him. For comparison, billet cases wont affect wear, 16mm cranks at this point are all the same DASA, and TPE, they are customer choice. FYI, I sell both TRP and DASA. Therefore the only difference is the top ends and port work. Maintenance is needle bearings and pistons, rings. Honestly maintenance will be about even, given normal wear and tear. Id call Erik on the TPE 1200, strictly comparing 10mm DASA to 10mm TPE, and 16mm DASA, to 10 MM TPE. I dont not have one of the TPE 1200s yet.
Erik isnt on here much so best to call him. For comparison, billet cases wont affect wear, 16mm cranks at this point are all the same DASA, and TPE, they are customer choice. FYI, I sell both TRP and DASA. Therefore the only difference is the top ends and port work. Maintenance is needle bearings and pistons, rings. Honestly maintenance will be about even, given normal wear and tear. Id call Erik on the TPE 1200, strictly comparing 10mm DASA to 10mm TPE, and 16mm DASA, to 10 MM TPE. I dont not have one of the TPE 1200s yet.
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DAG
Yes, my balls tickled from that landing
- Location
- Charlotte, NC
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
- Location
- Georgetown ca
I have to seriously question this statement about 52mm carbs improving low end.
Carbs work off a vacuum signal. The larger the carb the weaker the vacuum signal the softer they get on the bottom. This is why KTM dropped from 38 to 36 mm carbs to improve there low end response and torque.
I have no question they will improve power and make boat feel like they hit harder.
The lack of bottom end comes from rotating mass and port timing.
Comparing the two 84mm strokes as one being stroked 6mm the other 16mm is not accurate.
The 62t style 16mm crank is not on a stock 62t crank circle like most 4-10mm stroker cranks.
The 16 is a different crank circle.
What the real issue is the stock 62t bore center being smaller then the 66e bore center leaves a challenge for inner transfer port area with 95mm bore.
We have done a lot of testing and tuning in TPE 964 and it's a 95mm bore and it's hands down the most powerful stock stroke we have test.
So I would say they have figured out some of the transfer port issues of the 95mm bore in a 62t.
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
- Location
- Georgetown ca
Performance 1.
The TPE and DASA. Have different transfer ports and the case openings at Cyl base gasket are quite different.
I have both 1200 motors.
Dasa and TPE.
The problem we have been chasing with xs1200 is the engine shakes with a violent vibration that makes pipes a challenge.
DASA 16mm crank shakes much harder then the 10mm do, but there not as bad as XS1200.
I am having to make coupler modifications to our pipe for xs1200 to keep couplers
The TPE and DASA. Have different transfer ports and the case openings at Cyl base gasket are quite different.
I have both 1200 motors.
Dasa and TPE.
The problem we have been chasing with xs1200 is the engine shakes with a violent vibration that makes pipes a challenge.
DASA 16mm crank shakes much harder then the 10mm do, but there not as bad as XS1200.
I am having to make coupler modifications to our pipe for xs1200 to keep couplers
- Location
- Boynton Beach
We all need big waves and heavy ballz...
sorry wrong forum
sorry wrong forum
I thought these were under development? Isn't that the reason PHP designed their intake as a 2 piece unit, so you could just use a different speed plate and be good to go?