Super Jet Tripple Cooling

Tap your pump to two 1/2 inch fittings, then buy a manifold from harbor freight that take two 1/2 fittings in, and three 3/8 out. I have two going to the bottom of the manifold, and one to the pipe, and then three lines going overboard. But to do this correctly, you have to have 1/2 lines ran under the tray.
 

Big Kahuna

Administrator
Location
Tuscaloosa, AL
I like the idea of having two lines going into the exhaust mani so if one pops off you've still got your engine being cooled by one line.
Then with a seperate line to your headpipe would make it alot easier to tune your pipe. Quite a fool proof setup.
If you've got too much flow you can easily add restrictors to get your desired temp. Or use hose clamps as restrictors. I've done that too. I personally think doing that is a win win situation if you're using restrictors.
If you run 2 lines into the manifold and one pops off, you are going to loose 50% of your water flow, if not more. Water is going to travel the path of least resistance.
 

waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
Two strokes actually make more power the cooler they run, Cold seziure is a crock it will not happen to an engine thats already up to temp.
The dyno proves that the colder you can run a two stroke the more power it makes
 
Location
usa
Two strokes actually make more power the cooler they run, Cold seziure is a crock it will not happen to an engine thats already up to temp.
The dyno proves that the colder you can run a two stroke the more power it makes

agree
just make sure you run enough piston to wall clearance
 

CRJ

Hibernating
Location
Toronto
Two strokes actually make more power the cooler they run, Cold seziure is a crock it will not happen to an engine thats already up to temp.
The dyno proves that the colder you can run a two stroke the more power it makes
id love to see those dyno charts.

rule of thumb, cold means longevity. hot means HP.
 
both theory's hold water..haha alot of motors, turbos,pipes make better power hot,but all the other aps have remote cold intakes somewhere besides sucking all the hot air in the hull around the motor.cold air always makes more hp.. tough to dyno this accurately in a ski. The 2 half inch lines in to a mani with 3 lines out,is a far better setup,especially for a bpipe or any water injected pipe,keeps more tunable sustained water pressure. use new stainless clamps and silicone cooling hose and good barbed fitting,youll never have to worry bout blowing one off. doesnt matter what setup you run,if one blows off there goes all your pressure. getting the pipe temp consistently right is the much bigger picture here.
 

CRJ

Hibernating
Location
Toronto
4 strokes maybe,
Cold longevity sorry cold is higher wear.
More power but higher wear.
Do you have the dyno charts with temps? Cause this is the first time I've heard someone claim a low temp two stroke makes more power than a hot one.
 

BruceSki

Formerly Motoman25
Location
Long Island
Think about how zippy your ski feels when you first fire it up and ride 30 feet. Then let everything in the engine bay warm up and get heat soaked...the motor feels a little less peppy than when it was cold.
 

Roseand

The Weaponizer
Site Supporter
Location
Wisconsin
Zack at PHP has told me that you really can't have too much cooling, and that cold seizures aren't an issue either.. Just make sure you warm up your ski before pinning it.
 

Big Kahuna

Administrator
Location
Tuscaloosa, AL
I ran my stock class SXR running a split cooling setup with 3 outboard pissers...... I was in a sense keeping the engine cooler, but not for the engines sake. It was to keep the temps in the engine bay down. Cooler Air is denser. If you have ever owned an SXR, if you pull the hood right after you turn it off, it is like a steam bath in there. Never noticed this with a SJ. I do know that I was running pretty high RPM's in Mid August with 98 degrees with high humidity. I remember talking to Bill Haig (He gave me many of my tuning spec's when I first started racing the SXR in stock class), I had been having some tuning issues and he was walking me through a few things. Got it tweaked and he was telling me that I was actually getting a little more RPMs than he was getting at about the same temps.
 

waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
Do you have the dyno charts with temps? Cause this is the first time I've heard someone claim a low temp two stroke makes more power than a hot one.
No I don't have dyno charts. I didn't say I had dynoed it. I have seen dyno charts that prove it.
I have built the occasional race two stroke as well. It's a commonly known fact around performance two stroke tuners
 

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
Running a bunch of cooling into your motor in case you block a line is like running your carbs excessive fat incase you change elevation of air temp. You should tune your motor the best possible for your conditions, and be careful not to run shallow water and watch your pissers.

Also, you said you had 1 line teed feeding the manifold, and one fitting fell out, resulting in half the cooling. 2 things about that. One, it's much less than half the cooling because the water was pissing out the missing fitting before going through the motor. 2, don't tune for engine failures.

I'm not being a smart ads when I say this. You are trying to overcompensate by making new problems instead of investing in fixing your old ones. It would be better to spent your time putting helicoils in worn out fittings than adding extra cooling you don't need. In Florida, my limited sxr is running 2 lines and so is my limited Superjet, and x2. 3/8". Heat is not an issue. (External head temp about 140 degrees iirc)
 
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Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
Home Depot or other hardware stores sell "pex" fittings that come in 1/2" to 3/8" and 1/2" to 2 3/8". I looked for a while for a reducing tee like that but they are in a different isle than the barb fittings and when you ask the people they tell you the barb fittings are all the have. Still putting my x2 back together (had dual 3/8 but now going to run a single 1/2") so I haven't actually ran the pex yet.

I think he brand is "sharkbite" if you wasn't to try to find them online.
 

Roseand

The Weaponizer
Site Supporter
Location
Wisconsin
I know this is a little different than the OPs original post, and I realized I made a mistake in my previous post.
I'm not worried about a line popping off. Even without a hose clamp my lines are hard to pull off, and a hose clamp makes it near impossible.
For me, I run dual cooling due to being on a lake that tends to have a lot of debree in certain areas(thick weeds, etc). I've never had a cooling line completely close off, but I have had the flow severely restricted and I went to shore to blow it out of the cooling system.

If I were to do triple cooling(3 inlets) , it would have nothing to do with trying to get more cooling than true dual cooling. If you have two lines going into the exhaust mani and straight overboard, it is extremely easy to restrict them to get the desired temperature.
Then you have a designated line to the head pipe which is also then very easy to restrict and get the desired temp. Worst case scenario, I'd much rather have an exhaust leak from melted cooling lines kill my motor than a seizure.
I pay a hell alot of attention to my pissers but having two lines into the exhaust mani just gives me peace of mind so I'll always do it that way. It'd just be nice to be able to tune seperate circuits. I was surprised how much of a different setting up your pipe right made..
 

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
I know you were asking about a Yamaha pump, but I forgot to mention, one of my kawi pumps was tapped through the pump wall before I got it. It looked solid. They had just drilled a hole about 1" away from the spot in the casting and drilled through the wall. It was in there solid, but I'd probably use some in weld then tap.
 
Sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this Vumad and Roseand, I was away for the weekend on a 4-wheeling trip and never received any notifications of new postings...good trip, but some scary carnage occurred. First time I have ever seen a steering mount break off of the headstock on the steering post. Creepy feeling to suddenly have zero steering while rolling toward a long downhill in the forest...about as creepy feeling as the thought that you were just doing 50mph on an atv, on back roads with 30 feet of drop off on either side just 10 minutes prior to the full on loss of your steering. I agree with the suggestion both you and Speedy mentioned though using an additional bung welded in. It's true, I would not opt for overcompensation of a repair but well before ever mentioning that I actually had it in my plans to have two dedicated lines to the exhaust manifold to achieve true dual cooling, and have one 3/8 line to cool the pipe. So technically speaking it is triple cooling, but not exclusively for the block. Reducing down from the half inch would be easy, there are lots of universal fittings around here that have all sizes up to half inch on the same piece, you just cut off the size you don't need. I have used them a few times on various applications and they work well. They are made of plastic, I have seen some made of brass where you just break off what you don't need. But for what the requirement was, plastic was fine and a heck of a lot cheaper.
 

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
Glad to here you didnt die.

Here are the fittings...

http://www.homedepot.com/p/SharkBit...-Coupling-UC009LFA/202270567?N=5yc1vZbutyZ4n3
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http://www.homedepot.com/p/SharkBit...ducer-Tee-UC364LFA/202721865?N=5yc1vZbutyZ4n3
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http://www.homedepot.com/p/SharkBit...-x-Barb-x-Barb-Reducer-Tee-UC452LFA/202721866
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smokeysevin

one man with a couch
Location
Houston
Make sure you get the hose clamps tight on those they are slightly different sizes than the standard hose. That being said they are great fittings with little restriction compared to the standard brass fittings.

Sean

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I'm glad to know I didn't die too lol. Those fittings are exactly in line with what I had in mind. Here is a pic of what happened to my steering over the weekend, and one to follow on how I had to drive it out of the trails...

See the little black tab on the left of my front rack? The one with a half moon and two holes, that plus one on the other side was all that held my steering onto the post. If anyone owns a Polaris atv, might want to check that area for cracking at the welds. Mine just folded over like it fell off. No reason at all to provoke it, I wasn't pushing on the bars, no roll overs...ever. Just little to no penetration on the welds. We found some pieces of steel at a hunt camp about 5 miles back, pinched all of it together with three sets of Vise Grips, and I let the trails do most of the steering for me.
 

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