I should have known, there is a thread for that, thanks. So I gather, the ones in my pic would forbe someone who will do multiple tricks in a row. I still wouldn't mind having small humps in the back to keep the feet in...something to think about. I got a different problem, who ever laid the turf on my ski, did not pad it enough so the top of them are hard as rock, everytime I kick in my feet , I'm in tears. Gots to fix that. I could just lay a pad on top of the existing turf and another layer of turf to finish the look, right? Kinda like in the pic.