ultimate free ride hull

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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
If you had the chance to make the ultimate free ride hull
what would you do
How would you make it
What would you want on it

The reason i ask is i have been approaced by some body in australia wanting to do a free ride hull
they have heard about wax racing and want to get in there with a hull
they are talking about basing it around a superjet hull and asked me to do some research for them

So let me know your ideas
 
Ross_C

Ross_C

Location
Del Mar, CA
Wax...that sounds great. Is $$ an issue with this deal?

Strength is the main issue, but that goes without saying. I will give this some serious thought. I'm really excited to see what you come up with. I hope this project becomes a reality!
 
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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
Ross its just a discussion at the moment with some guys that build carbon fibre stuff
they are asking me about a hull
Dollars not the issue at the moment just the ideas and to see what could be incorparated

Hopefully this comes together as a project
They are very smart guys
We have a round nose hull to get open to start the moulding process

Of course strength is the main concern to make sure its going to take the pouinding of the double barrel roll you guys are about to do

weight of course is another issue

what about the curve at the back to make it toll better like all the flat water free style guys have
 
schoey

schoey

X-
Location
Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
I can't see those (specialised) flatwater hulls handling too well, last thing you want when you're trying to get out of the way of a big set is a ski that is sliding around under you.

I'd love to see something that handles slightly better than an SJ, start with an SJ hull and mould in some tubbies???

Awesome idea anyway.

:headbang:

Grant
 
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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
i was thinking about tubbies
may make it hard to pull out of the mould
you are right about the back making it handle funny as well
 
schoey

schoey

X-
Location
Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
The top edge of the tubbies could go right up to the bond line, eliminating any overhangs maybe??


As for construction you can't beat the lightweight hull for strength and weight, at my previous job we made a 16ft racing skiff using very similar construction, it is amazing stuff, you could lift one end of this hull with your little finger, but there was NO flex in it whatsoever, mmmm carbon :woot:

:headbang:


Grant

PS I might have to start work on an Aussie pole for the aussie hull. :Banane01:
 
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Freestyleriverrat

Guest
I would not really worry about weight in the surf if I were building a boat. Light boats are kind of twitchey, the heavier boat would help the ski hook up and I think aid in stablity. I would not do a 100% carbon hull but more along the lines of carbon and kevlar or fiberglass version to give it a little flexablity. Tubbies would be nice as well. I'm just a flatwater guy......but that is what I would do if I built a surf boat. That is the cool thing about the surf, you don't need a high dollor boat to run well. Look at Ross C......same with Kenney, his hulls are reinforced sj hulls with varing levels of motor mods. Heavily reinforce a hull and put in like a limited motor and you will have a killer set up that should last a while.......unless your Pete :Banane09:
 
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LBE

LBE

Eddie Would Go.
Location
Charlotte, NC
I have worked with fiberglass for quite a while now, and am a big believer in the stuff, vs carbon. My carbon expierience is limited, however, the flex of fiberglass is good. It allows a little give, carbon may take a larger impact but when it finally gives it splits and splinters. I'm just partial to glass, anyway.

As freestylerat said, in the surf weight is not really an issue. The Light Weight hulls that Sickerling rides are cool, but for me the price is not worth the weight diff. A well built glass ski is the way to go IMO.

As for what I would like to see: I think a round nose style SJ with a much lower center of gravity. Make the hood hug tight to the motor, possibly lower the profile of the sides. The lowered pole bracket changes the way the ski rolls and handeles, if the whole ski had a low profile/center of gravity it seems like it would also take less abuse on side landings.

I was thinking of re-shaping the rear of my ski by rolling the bottom edges. Would probably be fine in the surf, but I'm sure handeling would be significantly compromised.
 
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yamaslut

Guest
I have no real issues w/ a stock/re-inforced ski in the surf....
I just want and indestuctable nose area...

my wacky idea is to have a false nose w/ a bulkead.... make the nose out of Nerf material... you will just bounce right off the bottom like hitting a big cushion...

yeah... i know it won't work :Banane01:
 
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PancakePete

Guest
Paul makes a wicked Freeride Hull, Almost totaly PancakePeteProof ! :hail:

But I am a hull eater. I have a new hull being built just for Me with
some Special features, www.watercraftfactory.com
I am going to say that is going to be a wicked hull.
Pics soon to be shown ! This model is inteded for Surf (Pete) abuse !
:Banane09:
 
Marshj

Marshj

DarkHorse
Location
Ann Arbor
What other innovative things are out there that could be done to the hull to inspire new tricks? Look at freestyle MX, put our brains together...

I think wax wants something new to incorporate, to push the sport...what dont we like about the sj??...hmmm:dunno::dunno:
 
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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
thanks guys for the ideas
i am looking to see what you would like
all i am getting is strong and weight not the issue
surley there must be more
i persoanlly want one thats light strong and still carves so when you are doing the bottom turn it rips back at you
 
wildman326

wildman326

Who else?
Location
Kansas
Foot holds on the outside!! Gotta do it!!!! Instead of wings like the x-jet - foot holds on the outside.

No surf application, but might be good for flatwater.:arms:
 
BlowStuffUp

BlowStuffUp

Twinkle Toes
Location
San Luis Obispo, Ca
ive always thought about some how incorporating a bicylce gyro onto a jet ski. so that you could throw bar spins and tail whips. seems like lenzi has been trying a tail whip variation for a couple years now. all he needs is a gyro and he would have it down.
 
guiness92

guiness92

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Location
South Jersey Shore
a gyro on the pole now that would be interesting. It would be near impossible to make it strong enough to be effective, but think of the variations on tricks and the endless possibilities.
 
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