Use 2-stroke oil without TC-W3 cert.?

Conquistador

Conquistador

B-Saw
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learn something new everyday. I didn't know that tcw3 was biodegradable. Now I have some ammo for those tree hugging hipocrits that complain about jet skis then ride off on their loud ass bikes. :soapbox: :biggrin:
 
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restosud

nowhere does the nmma rating specify that tcw3 is biodegradable.
wish peeps would check their sources before putting this kind of :):):):) out there.
 
staflaraf

staflaraf

MastahBlastah
Location
sweden, Rejmyre
A guy on a swedish forum did a test, the tcw3 oil was blendable with water and the non tcw3 didnt blend at all! maybe thats one more difference? if it ingests a little water you dont loose the oilfilm...
 
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restosud

you've got brass ones.
first you put out misinformation then you call others names.

interesting concept!
fyi.miscibility and biodegradibility are not the same thing but i'm sure you knew that when you first posted.
there's enough crap on the internet without you having to add to it.
 
crammit442

crammit442

makin' legs
Location
here
snowxr said:
It is not intended for ANY engine used on water. TCW-3 is certified biodegradable, and required for operation in U.S. waters. Why POISON our water by running anything else??
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snowxr said:
SORRY, Mr. Nittpick. The correct term is MISCIBILITY. That's according to NMMA. It must be Soluble in water.
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The only reason TCW3 oil is required is to maintain warranty compliance. Also, almost all of the better racing oils are NOT TCW3 rated. Interestingly, some of those(castor in particular)oils are actually readily biodegradable. Miscibility is(could be) the right term, but you've defined it incorrectly in the context of two stroke oil. TCW3 oil must be miscible with fuel. NOT water.
 
GIL

GIL

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crammit442 said:
The only reason TCW3 oil is required is to maintain warranty compliance. Also, almost all of the better racing oils are NOT TCW3 rated. Interestingly, some of those(castor in particular)oils are actually readily biodegradable. Miscibility is(could be) the right term, but you've defined it incorrectly in the context of two stroke oil. TCW3 oil must be miscible with fuel. NOT water.
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Tell Buddy to call me tonight about this whole oil thing. That azz sold me 5 gallons of ILLEGAL oil and I ain't havin it!!!
 
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restosud

you're reply has now confirmed that your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance and that's not saying little.
remains to be seen how you feel an insult (to which you admit) is warranted!

you really should do research before answering any posts from now on as it seems i'm not the only one correcting your errors.(see #29)
where is your insult now?
 
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GIL

GIL

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Cullman AL
restosud said:
you're reply has now confirmed that your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance and that's not saying little.
remains to be seen how you feel an insult (to which you admit) is warranted!

you really should do research before answering any posts from now on as it seems i'm not the only one correcting your errors.(see #29)
where is your insult now?
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Yeah, throwing around bad info w/Crammit around is usually not the best thing to do. The guy knows his chit and knows alot about alot o chit.
 
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Super Dee

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Mount Albert, Ontario
API TC rated oils are for engines that produce higher amounts of heat when running. In the PWC world these are typically motors with RAVE valves (most commonly found in SeaDoos). The API TC oils depend on the higher operating temperatures of these oils to burn off the low ash additives in the oil.

On the other hand, TCW3 oils are designed for two stroke engines that are generally cooler running.

From the website listed below, if an engine calls for a TCW3 oil, run a TCW3 oil in it. These oils are designed with "Ashless" additives in them because the motors don't produce enough heat to burn the "Low Ash" additives in an API TC oil.

According to this article, both TCW3 oils and API TC oils have additives that allow for the oil from the exhaust to be biodegradeable.

All this info is from this site:
http://www.sea-doo.net/techarticles/oil/oil.htm

Read until your heart's content. As for the credibility of the article, who knows... it's a random internet article that seems intelligent. You be the judge
 
staflaraf

staflaraf

MastahBlastah
Location
sweden, Rejmyre
Super Dee said:
API TC rated oils are for engines that produce higher amounts of heat when running. In the PWC world these are typically motors with RAVE valves (most commonly found in SeaDoos). The API TC oils depend on the higher operating temperatures of these oils to burn off the low ash additives in the oil.

On the other hand, TCW3 oils are designed for two stroke engines that are generally cooler running.

From the website listed below, if an engine calls for a TCW3 oil, run a TCW3 oil in it. These oils are designed with "Ashless" additives in them because the motors don't produce enough heat to burn the "Low Ash" additives in an API TC oil.

According to this article, both TCW3 oils and API TC oils have additives that allow for the oil from the exhaust to be biodegradeable.





All this info is from this site:
http://www.sea-doo.net/techarticles/oil/oil.htm

Read until your heart's content. As for the credibility of the article, who knows... it's a random internet article that seems intelligent. You be the judge
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Thanks!
 
Sospikey

Sospikey

Trying to get upside down
Location
Sweden
staflaraf, I use OK/Q8 outboard oil. They carry 2 versions; one mineral based and one that is fully synthetic AND biogradable (Marin BIO, which I use). It is 139 SEK a litre. I like it, it doesn't smell (bad) and it doesn't create a mess. It conforms to these standards:

• NMMA TC-W3
• API TC+
• OMC (Johnson, Evinrude)
• TSC-4
• SAE J1536 grade 3
• ICOMIA nedbrytbarhet
• Volvo STD 97455-20
 
staflaraf

staflaraf

MastahBlastah
Location
sweden, Rejmyre
Sospikey said:
staflaraf, I use OK/Q8 outboard oil. They carry 2 versions; one mineral based and one that is fully synthetic AND biogradable (Marin BIO, which I use). It is 139 SEK a litre. I like it, it doesn't smell (bad) and it doesn't create a mess. It conforms to these standards:

• NMMA TC-W3
• API TC+
• OMC (Johnson, Evinrude)
• TSC-4
• SAE J1536 grade 3
• ICOMIA nedbrytbarhet
• Volvo STD 97455-20
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Thanks! will go for that one! and quite cheap!
 
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