- Location
- amarillo ,tx
There isn't a a/m hull out there than can make a nose dive into rocks and survive
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Custom/Hybrid Vision talk...
- Thread starter waterfreak
- Start date
For all I know the thing was lawn darted from 15 foot of air into 3 feet of water and it landed on a hard object. In this example Exactly how much of that would be product defect? My Vision works perfectly fine and has no issues, fricken love it!
- Location
- Annapolis, MD
That is exactly what happened. It was lawn darted from about 15 feet up into waste deep water. Whether or not it hit an object on the bottom is hard to say but obviously possible. The hit was hard, I don't think you could expect any hull to withstand it.
speedysprocket
Alex
- Location
- Chesapeake, VA
He nosed in a little shallow from a back flip. A lot of other issues unrelated to the crash though.
ProSouth
Seriously, Don't be a dick.
- Location
- kawasakis suck
I think the owner needs to call Steve rather than "oh I saw somebody nose one in and it broke, what a piece of 
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Dirtybird
Ex*ta*ski
- Location
- St. Clair, MI
^This^
speedysprocket
Alex
- Location
- Chesapeake, VA
He did...
I think the owner needs to call Steve rather than "oh I saw somebody nose one in and it broke, what a piece of
I don't think Alex was saying that.
Here is vid of the hit, just about every junkie spent the rest of the weekend in awe of what happened to the hull, along with wondering how it lasted so long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca7CZiRehLM
ProSouth
Seriously, Don't be a dick.
- Location
- kawasakis suck
Excellent. I'm sure Steve's handling it. I wasn't meaning to bite your head off there, but crap gets started when the owner/rider isn't telling the story, or Steve's not here to defend himself or ask questions. Not saying your a liar, but facts need to come from the source around here, or this one hull that may have an issue, will turn into EVERY vision sucks and will break as soon as you hop on, which isn't the case.
KTM434
Jamie FN Hickey
- Location
- Palm Coast FL
I was wondering when the drama would spill over onto this thread from Flipsides carnage. Kinda surprised it took this long, you guys are getting rusty.
speedysprocket
Alex
- Location
- Chesapeake, VA
I'm not trying to start anything. I merely have facts. I've been there fixing the hull and seen the shortcuts and flaws of its production. Not sure the owner pointed them out to the builder, as it's not going to get him anything anyways. We'll just fix it better than new and keep riding. I don't know the builder nor have anything for or against him.
KTM434
Jamie FN Hickey
- Location
- Palm Coast FL
Not hating on your posts and didn't view it as bashing. All info good or bad is useful for the builder to improve on and the customer to be aware of before and after making a purchase. If there are obvious flaws it should be brought to Steve's attention. It's easy to say another hull would have or wouldn't have broken under the same circumstances without proof but I think you can tell strengths or weaknesses in the hull by studying the carnage. Certain things should break while others shouldn't IMO
- Location
- Annapolis, MD
I also feel there is an inherited risk with building and owning a lightweight fiberglass hull. Sure a fiberglass rickter is almost bulletproof but its also a 115 pound hull. A 80 pound fiberglass hull will not be as strong as a 115 pound hull (assuming similar materials of course). Now build a 80 pound carbon fiber hull and you have something that is just as strong as a 115 pound fiberglass hull but the price tag is not the same, and is out of reach for many of us. Not commenting on the flaws you found as I do not know what you found. Just my .02. That being said, when I can afford a carbon hull I will buy one.
speedysprocket
Alex
- Location
- Chesapeake, VA
It's more than strength issues. From bow to stern, details small and large overlooked.
I assembled my own Vision hull that I received in April of 2013. I saw no poor quality anywhere. I was very happy with how easy it was to build and the thought that went into the hull. I unfortunately did not have the hull in the surf, so I can't comment on that. However, I did install the pole bracket and saw how thick the material is in that area. I did not measure it, but it is probably twice as thick as the carbon hull I am currently working on. Yes, carbon is stronger, but I was definitely surprised to see how much thicker the Vision was (in that area). This was only in the pole bracket area, and obviously not in the nose. Please keep in mind I am not an expert on this, just comparing what I have seen.
I would also be curious to hear what all of these shortcomings of the hull are? I don't even own a Vision anymore, but maybe I can help with comments on the quality of mine if these shortcomings are talked about in detail.
I would also be curious to hear what all of these shortcomings of the hull are? I don't even own a Vision anymore, but maybe I can help with comments on the quality of mine if these shortcomings are talked about in detail.
- Location
- s florida
I have seen Josh's Vision form pics on FB and have texted him back and forth to help fix the nose. Anytime you nose in a ski, all bets are off on what can happen.
I know Josh has been ridding that hull for over 2 1/2 years in the surf and I'm sure all will attest to how big this kid goes!!
It seems every hull builders on here have haters on the boards so why would I be any different!!
just saying!!
and BTW mr speedysproket, if Josh has any concerns, he knows how to contact me and I always pick up my phone and try to help out in any way I can
I know Josh has been ridding that hull for over 2 1/2 years in the surf and I'm sure all will attest to how big this kid goes!!
It seems every hull builders on here have haters on the boards so why would I be any different!!
just saying!!
and BTW mr speedysproket, if Josh has any concerns, he knows how to contact me and I always pick up my phone and try to help out in any way I can
speedysprocket
Alex
- Location
- Chesapeake, VA
I'm not hating. I don't care who buys what hull. Josh hasn't said anything because he believes it'll just be faster and easier to fix it ourselves. And that hull is about 1 1/2 years old, not two.
I'd like this to be more constructive feed back...
The bond between top and bottom is obviously where it broke in the front. The glue and gel coat over it has cracked a good ways down the bond line on both sides. That's understandable considering the situation.
The "visual carbon" on the inside was just that, visual. All of it under the engine was completely seperated from the hull and peeled right off, and up the sides you can still get a fingernail under it and pry it off.
The carbon exhaust tube had no bonding with the bulkhead, so it leaked like crazy into the tray. The pump shoe was installed with one aluminum rivet and three steel rivets which are obviously rusted. I didn't look at it yet, but Josh said the hole for the rear bow eye has an unsealed gap between top and bottom deck. The tube for the driveshaft doesn't look sealed at the pump tunnel. We had filled the rear of the ski with water (no foam) because he complained it sunk fast, and water came out of every possible hole (with everything bolted in) and some places we couldn't identify. Oh and looks like the plates for the engine mounts are starting to corrode. We don't know how much glass is over them, or if it's just the visual carbon, yet. This has turned into a lot more work than anticipated...
I'd like this to be more constructive feed back...
The bond between top and bottom is obviously where it broke in the front. The glue and gel coat over it has cracked a good ways down the bond line on both sides. That's understandable considering the situation.
The "visual carbon" on the inside was just that, visual. All of it under the engine was completely seperated from the hull and peeled right off, and up the sides you can still get a fingernail under it and pry it off.
The carbon exhaust tube had no bonding with the bulkhead, so it leaked like crazy into the tray. The pump shoe was installed with one aluminum rivet and three steel rivets which are obviously rusted. I didn't look at it yet, but Josh said the hole for the rear bow eye has an unsealed gap between top and bottom deck. The tube for the driveshaft doesn't look sealed at the pump tunnel. We had filled the rear of the ski with water (no foam) because he complained it sunk fast, and water came out of every possible hole (with everything bolted in) and some places we couldn't identify. Oh and looks like the plates for the engine mounts are starting to corrode. We don't know how much glass is over them, or if it's just the visual carbon, yet. This has turned into a lot more work than anticipated...