Wax exhaust like B pipe

[chris p]

Good afternoon peeps,
i wanted to install a factory B pipe in my 2013 SJ, now i know how the Factory pipe goes, i have tried to purchase new from the U.S but shipping and duty are a killer to UK,
My question is has anybody used the Wax superjet pipe and how does it compare to the factory pipe i.e build quality and performance?

I,m not racing purely recreational ski with a little bouy to buoy action with some current and Former racers, Ski is basically stock with MSD and handling bits.

TIA

 

[bored&stroked]

Judging by past posts and facebook, this is like asking which brand of oil is best. You'll get a lot of conflicting answers.
Some people love it.
Some people hate it.
People have had great luck.
People have had terrible luck.
Enjoy!

 

[mikidymac]

Pretty crazy I would agree. Haven’t seen a single review on the Wax Pipe. I have one and it looks identical to the Factory Pipe but I haven’t installed it yet.

 

[fastgtfairlane]

the thing im not really a fan of on the wax pipes are the manifold is the fact that theres no water passages in the manifold to keep it cooler. i do like that the outlet is solid so you can open up the header opening. they run pretty hot compared to the factory pipe manifold which is preferred if you were racing. itll make a little more power which is what wax was after having them casted this way. a freestyle setup likes the manifold/headpipe to be cooler for bottom end response but let the chamber get hot to make power on top. ive seen one person that got good results with the wax manifold on a freestyle setup but it took lots of tuning to get there.

 

[chris p]

Pretty crazy I would agree. Haven’t seen a single review on the Wax Pipe. I have one and it looks identical to the Factory Pipe but I haven’t installed it yet.

Thanks I’d be keen to see want you think

 

[chris p]

the thing im not really a fan of on the wax pipes are the manifold is the fact that theres no water passages in the manifold to keep it cooler. i do like that the outlet is solid so you can open up the header opening. they run pretty hot compared to the factory pipe manifold which is preferred if you were racing. itll make a little more power which is what wax was after having them casted this way. a freestyle setup likes the manifold/headpipe to be cooler for bottom end response but let the chamber get hot to make power on top. ive seen one person that got good results with the wax manifold on a freestyle setup but it took lots of tuning to get there.

So am I right in thinking that your saying there’s no cooling jacket on inlet Manifold , where does the cooling inlet attach to?

 

[fastgtfairlane]

the cooling goes into the engine from the manifold like the factory pipe one theres just no cooling passages in the manifold around the runners inside the manifold like the factory pipe manifold. theres just a small milled out area basically large enough for the fitting to mount on.

 

[chris p]

the cooling goes into the engine from the manifold like the factory pipe one theres just no cooling passages in the manifold around the runners inside the manifold like the factory pipe manifold. theres just a small milled out area basically large enough for the fitting to mount on.

the cooling goes into the engine from the manifold like the factory pipe one theres just no cooling passages in the manifold around the runners inside the manifold like the factory pipe manifold. theres just a small milled out area basically large enough for the fitting to mount on.

Right thanks for clarifying. I’d prefer a factory but can’t justify the cost, sounds like Wax a good alternative.

 

[fastgtfairlane]

you should be fine with the wax setup. personally i set up all of my skis cooling lines the same. i run a seperate line from the pump directly to the headpipe instead of through the engine first. this way i can better control the headpipe and chamber temp with less water that isnt preheated through the manifold and engine first. this isnt required, just a personal preference.

 

[waxhead]

the thing im not really a fan of on the wax pipes are the manifold is the fact that theres no water passages in the manifold to keep it cooler. i do like that the outlet is solid so you can open up the header opening. they run pretty hot compared to the factory pipe manifold which is preferred if you were racing. itll make a little more power which is what wax was after having them casted this way. a freestyle setup likes the manifold/headpipe to be cooler for bottom end response but let the chamber get hot to make power on top. ive seen one person that got good results with the wax manifold on a freestyle setup but it took lots of tuning to get there.

We have a lot of people running them on free ride skis. The great thing about the hot manifold is it keeps your system at temp all the time.
If you are noodling around in the surf then your chamber get cold and then when you grab the throttle it does not respond as well.
Funny enough on the gp bikes long before we had water injection on skis they tried water injection to get more low down and while it made a difference it took to long for the pipes to get hot and they would lose out in the midrange.
You can set your pipe to make more low down power by making it all wet but then it will fall on its face when you get up in the rpm.
Back in the 440 550 days everyone was running weird ass pipes out the side of the ski and so the rule was made it had to be a water cooed manifold so as not to burn people, This rule has gone now and I wish i could find a real old rule book to show everyone.
Just because the other manifold runs water it doesn't mean they wanted to they just had to follow the rules of the time.

I would ask anyone who is concerned about heat on the manifold to put their hands on the tail pipe of there motorbike after a ride. I would say touch the header but i don't want the court case and the hospital bill.

 

[waxhead]

the cooling goes into the engine from the manifold like the factory pipe one theres just no cooling passages in the manifold around the runners inside the manifold like the factory pipe manifold. theres just a small milled out area basically large enough for the fitting to mount on.

I would say we have more potential water flow into the cylinder than the other manifold
Run your pipe hot and your engine cold

 

[fastgtfairlane]

This ski is running a wax pipe with a superjet limited chamber wityba 701 in a flatwater freestyle setup. With 48mm carbs no less.. it looks very impressive. I'd be curious how he has it setup with water routing, ignition timing and fuel settings.

 

[chris p]

you should be fine with the wax setup. personally i set up all of my skis cooling lines the same. i run a seperate line from the pump directly to the headpipe instead of through the engine first. this way i can better control the headpipe and chamber temp with less water that isnt preheated through the manifold and engine first. this isnt required, just a personal preference.

Thanks can you provide a diagram of water routing? Tia

 

[Quinc]

TNT helped design the manifold, it should be an upgrade over the original bpipe. I run the manifold and head pipe in my Superjet and like the beefier adjustment screws.

 

[fastgtfairlane]

Thanks can you provide a diagram of water routing? Tia

This is how i set my skis up that have 2 1/2 lines in the hull and run a b pipe style exhaust.

 

[Jhucke]

I keep seeing that running this manifold with an ADA head (rather, any that does not use the OEM cooling design) is not a good idea. Any truth to this?

 

[Storbeck]

Why on earth would it matter?

 

[kevbo]

An ADA head has no gasket to control water flow so you need a little more water going through the cylinder. That’s their only disadvantage.

 

[Jhucke]

Why on earth would it matter?

Was hearing it was contributing to heat soak issues due to different water flow rate through the aftermarket designs. Just asking the question..

 

[waxhead]

Was hearing it was contributing to heat soak issues due to different water flow rate through the aftermarket designs. Just asking the question..

The wax racing manifold has more water into the engine area than the other brand out there. Filling in the manifold was a race ski trick back in the day to get the temp into the exhaust. If you were going to get heat soak your going to get it on a race boat. I am aware of a certain few people saying things about the exhaust. None of them are known for building fast skis in fact one of them I spoke to on the phone and helped him set up his zeeltronic which he was running 45 degrees timing in it which caused it to blow the entire cylinder off his engine and crack all his sleeves. in the process it pulled the threads out of the wax manifold and so they went on a rant saying our threads pull out as well. With out mentioning it blew the cylinder off the engine. We are all about making product better and better but people like this is why we don't do cylinder heads and aftermarket cylinders. Some person can get online and say its crap and there you go !!!!!