What next?

[Foximus]

So this is basically what my SquareNose is up to now. Ive just added the flywheel, boysens, and removed the riva red pipe. Ski is still not together and I have no idea how it rides, but as of last ride it deffinately didnt hit of bottom like Id want... I have the engine apart and I'm still feeling frisky. So where next? Ive somewhat reached a mental block and cannot think of anything easy/cheap to do, perhaps Im overlooking something. Ive thought about going to 44/46 carbs, but after reading up, it just doesnt seem worth the $400-$500 investment, dual 38s can hit just as good. The prospect of the NorthWest big bore sleeves is looking very good... Though I know strokers make more power than bore, but this seems easier ( read: cheaper) than a 5mm stroker.

[X] ported 61x cylinder 1 bore over
[X] 62T cases
[X] Rad Charging flywheel (2.04 lbs!!!) & 62t stator
[X] Boysen carbon reeds
[X] Triton Engineering head 195psi comp
[X] Blaster Mod B pipe (assuming Nikad actually DID ship it this time:twak
[X] twin 38's w/ separate fuel lines and dual external pumps
[ ] Big Bore sleeves.....
[ ] _______________(??)

[X] Impros 13/16 cutback prop
[X] WetWolf Cone
[X] Ocean Pro holeshot steering nozzle (soon to be raider trim)
[ ] Bored nozzle



Im not sure what else. If I end up getting a new job I was thinking about sending it to magoo or team scream... but I doubt that will happen this month.

 

[BROSS]

MSD? Looks like you covered everything except Bigbore or stroker.

 

[Foximus]

eh... Im not gonna pay out the ass for a CDI that doesnt work much better than stock.


Ive been looking for an advent (pfft, good luck), my buddy has a Vilder that doesnt work (they are out of business now), and Ive been considering the WAXhead (dont know the price but I think its around $600...thats rich)
I did a 3* static advance on mine already though.


Perhaps paul or chuck will chime in.

 

[BROSS]

5 years on my MSD that I bought used and no problems(knock on wood)...

 

[BombThreat]

A big bore isn't cheap. Plan on spending $1000 to do it.

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

find a used enhancer, ive good luck with them too if they dont sit in a wet E box for a winter.

OR, remove rev limit on your stocker, and advance the stator a bit, thats nearly as good as an enhancer

 

[SUPERTUNE]

Definitely get a MSD Enhancer at least for a cdi. Advents don't work with the older RAD flywheels. Big bore would be a great way to make power, but must be set up and ported correctly for freestyle.
My 'B' pipe mods will also work well even on a 701 baby motor.
My 828's 5mm strokers are the bomb too...
Send me stock 62t cases and a cherry stock 61x 701 cylinder and $5000 and 3 weeks your problem solved with a big engine, but then will need a set of my 46's Mikunis matched to my manifold and Kawsaki reed cage conversion...

 

[Foximus]

5 years on my MSD that I bought used and no problems(knock on wood)...

I have no doubt that they are reliable, just the fact that they barely advance the timing at all. Like what... a total of 4-5 degrees over the stock CDI? Sure they retard at the higher end... but not worth $150 to me.

A big bore isn't cheap. Plan on spending $1000 to do it.

Price to power that seems pretty cheap to me.... I spent just under 500 on my Blaster pipe, and thats just cause I really wanted to scrap my Riva Red pipe.

Definitely get a MSD Enhancer at least for a cdi. Advents don't work with the older RAD flywheels. Big bore would be a great way to make power, but must be set up and ported correctly for freestyle.
My 'B' pipe mods will also work well even on a 701 baby motor.
My 828's 5mm strokers are the bomb too...
Send me stock 62t cases and a cherry stock 61x 701 cylinder and $5000 and 3 weeks your problem solved with a big engine, but then will need a set of my 46's Mikunis matched to my manifold and Kawsaki reed cage conversion...

I would love for you to do work on my motor. Ive sent you a couple PM's about your carbs, and your special B-Pipe mods... but you never seem to read/answer them.... Idealy Id love to have a 5-6mm stroker and perhaps even a big bore at the same time using NorthWest sleeves to retain 61x port timing (unlike the LA sleeves) Sure I know I'd deffinately have to go to bigger carbs then though. What would it cost for you to set me up with a stroker and big bore sleeves? I honestly dont believe it would take 5k... thats perhaps $1000 of parts (not including carbs, etc) but another 4k in labor???

Really Id like to buy and assemble everything myself, I can get get everything machined and pressed for cheap, then send it to someone to have it ported and a final setup.

 

[crammit442]

Definitely get a MSD Enhancer at least for a cdi. Advents don't work with the older RAD flywheels. Big bore would be a great way to make power, but must be set up and ported correctly for freestyle.
My 'B' pipe mods will also work well even on a 701 baby motor.
My 828's 5mm strokers are the bomb too...
Send me stock 62t cases and a cherry stock 61x 701 cylinder and $5000 and 3 weeks your problem solved with a big engine, but then will need a set of my 46's Mikunis matched to my manifold and Kawsaki reed cage conversion...

What exactly do you get for $5000. Do you have a price breakdown?

Thanks!

 

[SuperJETT]

What exactly do you get for $5000. Do you have a price breakdown?

Thanks!

I would guess from http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/27984

Break Down :
- 62t Case / 61x Cylinder
- Big Bore Sleeved
- +5mm lightened billet Stroker Crank
- Modified Wiseco 85mm Pistons
- ADA Girdled Head
- Team Scream Custom Machined Domes
- Team Scream Signature Case and Cylinder Porting

with good core cases/cylinder.

 

[Boris]

What exactly do you get for $5000.

Thanks!

You get a stroked, big bore that hits like a ton of bricks.
It's what I will have before the year is over and my "baby 701" (thanks Chuck for making me feel small:bigok will be in my X2.

It's more than just slapping a cylinder and some cases together in hopes that it will run good. I have been shown that it's the whole package (from FA to stinger) that makes the motor BRAAAP.

 

[crammit442]

You get a stroked, big bore that hits like a ton of bricks.
It's what I will have before the year is over and my "baby 701" (thanks Chuck for making me feel small:bigok will be in my X2.

It's more than just slapping a cylinder and some cases together in hopes that it will run good. I have been shown that it's the whole package (from FA to stinger) that makes the motor BRAAAP.

I agree that the entire package is what makes it all work well, but what Chuckie quoted for $5000 doesn't appear include the stinger mod, FA's, carbs, or anything else. That's a tremendous amount of cash for a motor built on an OE casting. I was really just asking for a price breakdown showing what individual parts/labor prices are included to get to $5000. I think a $5000 price tag would be easier to justify if the component prices used to get to $5000 could be clearly seen. Might be easier to swallow.:veryhappy: Thanks!

 

[Foximus]

Amen.

 

[BROSS]

Well a stroker crank can average $1500
special pistons, $200 each
NW sleeves, $130 each
head, $300-350
plus the cost of 61x cylinder and 62t cases
From Tim Judge epoxy ported cases are $750
Porting the cylinder
fitting the stroker crank
This stuff cost $$$ Also paying them for what they know...
I am doing a 770 BB flat top right now http://x-h2o.com/showthread.php?t=29029

 

[Foximus]

Ive read up on all the info about flat tops and think thats silly to go through that much trouble for not much gain and depending on quality of work a drop in reliability. I would like to just swap pistons and sleeves and be done with it. I wouldnt do BB and stroker at the same time. Sleeves and pistons would cost me $410. Machining would probably be about $50 - $75.

 

[2XLR8]

200 a piston ? that was last years price. I would bet the prices are up now. There has been a price increase on wisecos. Just call wiseco an confirm. Too much money in my opinion. i would just let people think they are flat top and run domed pistons. No body would know anyway.

 

[Foximus]

no dyno gains from flat tops...