What's with all the molds for sale

Big Kahuna

Big Kahuna

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Storbeck said:
"JetManiac now has Superfreak hulls in stock"

The only hull you can order and receive in the mail two days later.

(kidding, but you know people were thinking it)
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what you talking about, mine shipped out 5 minutes ago............... I just thought about it 10 minutes ago while on Facebook............ Facebook read my thoughts and place the order, JM just send me a PM stating it had shipped already.......
 
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ridetrp

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nj
TheBuzzard said:
most every hull builder uses the cheapest materials they can buy which is one reason most hulls are junk. its only $200 more in materials to use quality carbon over glass and its between $1200 and 1500 total to build a hull.2k maybe max with nothing but the best. if you don't put more matt in the crown and other high stress areas, the hull is junk. most hull builders don't have previous experience in composit, body and fender, or just using your head, so they turn out like crap. its not that difficult to build a hull if you know what you're doing. I saw the whole process at trendsetters, know costs and everything. steve could do body and paint but his junk didn't stay together. hurricane ind aint no body and paint guys which is why the finished product was rough. I imagine superfreak was the same cause they were rough.
senor /marc with the FIXX hull, makes quality cause he did his homework on the materials that were compatible with each other and for strength.
the molds have to be cherry and waxed or a lot of work is needed after its popped out.
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? So tell me what the best materials are and what they cost. I'm really curious because the difference just to go from vinylester to epoxy alone is over 200 bucks at MY cost. Trust me. You also saw all the costs at a company that used to be in business so that's irrelevant.

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TOBY

TOBY

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I can’t wate to see the insets they come up with and the layup that they won’t even tell the buyers this will be a good time.
 
TheBuzzard

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ridetrp said:
? So tell me what the best materials are and what they cost. I'm really curious because the difference just to go from vinylester to epoxy alone is over 200 bucks at MY cost. Trust me. You also saw all the costs at a company that used to be in business so that's irrelevant.

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muffler marc/senor that builds the FIXX hull is the one that informed me on materials and costs to build a hull. he has researched materials and their properties and what stuff does what and what would be best for a jetski hull application.
sure you build hulls and are in the fiberglass business but did you really do research and find out whats the best stuff to use? do you use that stuff?
and i seem to recall you called steve on a regular basis picking his brain on how to build hulls before you started doing it, so you learned from a company that is no longer in business. lol
senor learned what not to do, by building hulls along side backie chan and phantom lol
props to you for still building and selling hulls
 
TheBuzzard

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the insert situation has been a nightmare on a lot of AM hulls. I was informed a havoc that was repaired, has pump or plate inserts silicone into place and I've found those fake rickers to have hardware store brass wood inserts in there. I've had problems with XFT and WDK inserts too. not to mention the fact that the crap just don't line up either because a poor or no jig was used in the build.
 
McDog

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Stainless t nuts in my freak held up pretty good. I have tapped a few to a size bigger but otherwise all good. I always assumed epoxy resin and carbon was the way to go for best materials but few used it.
 
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Storbeck

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Minnesota
SXIPro said:
I'm thinking of either hogging a hull out of a giant billet of aluminum, or maybe going old school and carving one out of a giant birch log.
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I've wondered if wooden boat/canoe building techniques (basically wood core with fiberglass/composite shell) could work. Would be amusing. Maybe stick an old fashioned Chris Craft logo on there for the hell of it. (note: I don't actually think this is a good idea, just amusing)
 
JetManiac

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McDog said:
Stainless t nuts in my freak held up pretty good. I have tapped a few to a size bigger but otherwise all good. I always assumed epoxy resin and carbon was the way to go for best materials but few used it.
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There are also many types and grades of carbon cloth and epoxy resins available. The better/best materials are very expensive. Then if you are vacuum bagging/infusing, there are lots of other expenses, lots more waste of resin with each layup, and lots of consumables need to be replaced with each layup as well. Then if you are after a high end heat post cure, you also have to build a large oven and lots of power to run it.
 
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ridetrp

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TheBuzzard said:
muffler marc/senor that builds the FIXX hull is the one that informed me on materials and costs to build a hull. he has researched materials and their properties and what stuff does what and what would be best for a jetski hull application.
sure you build hulls and are in the fiberglass business but did you really do research and find out whats the best stuff to use? do you use that stuff?
and i seem to recall you called steve on a regular basis picking his brain on how to build hulls before you started doing it, so you learned from a company that is no longer in business. lol
senor learned what not to do, by building hulls along side backie chan and phantom lol
props to you for still building and selling hulls
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I actually do a ton of research and development. We had a laminate engineer draft up some layups. We've used all different kinds of carbon,adhesives,laminates and resins every product you can think of we have tried 3 to 4 different versions of everything. Viking yacht is down the street from our shop so im fortunate enough to get the insight,advice and materials most people cant. I think I called steve once for a set of footholds and he never got back to me. I never asked him for infusion advice or any type of laminate schedule. Why would I? I've been around this stuff since I was 10 years old My dads been doing it for over 30 years. If I have a technial question on something now I ask Josh because hes actually intelligent and builds jetskis. I hired a guy from viking a few years ago a company that basically pioneered large scale infusion in the U.S over 15 years ago. So we didnt have to learn anything if you screw up an infusion on a 92ft boat you get fired. The part where you "researched" what materials work is what gets me. Like google research or like actual testing research. Kawasaki makes there hulls with a chopper gun and they "work".

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smoofers

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ridetrp said:
I actually do a ton of research and development. We had a laminate engineer draft up some layups. We've used all different kinds of carbon,adhesives,laminates and resins every product you can think of we have tried 3 to 4 different versions of everything. Viking yacht is down the street from our shop so im fortunate enough to get the insight,advice and materials most people cant. I think I called steve once for a set of footholds and he never got back to me. I never asked him for infusion advice or any type of laminate schedule. Why would I? I've been around this stuff since I was 10 years old My dads been doing it for over 30 years. If I have a technial question on something now I ask Josh because hes actually intelligent and builds jetskis. I hired a guy from viking a few years ago a company that basically pioneered large scale infusion in the U.S over 15 years ago. So we didnt have to learn anything if you screw up an infusion on a 92ft boat you get fired. The part where you "researched" what materials work is what gets me. Like google research or like actual testing research. Kawasaki makes there hulls with a chopper gun and they "work".

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Regardless of experience, I can imagine laying up and infusing a 40 to 92' hull can be pretty freaking stressful! That's insane to think about....
 
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ridetrp

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smoofers said:
Regardless of experience, I can imagine laying up and infusing a 40 to 92' hull can be pretty freaking stressful! That's insane to think about....
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It's insane to watch. They spend weeks stacking the mold and the parts made In about an hour.

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