Yamalube 2R or 2W for 2016 SuperJet.

[Eliminator55]

I've just bought a new SuperJet. The previous owner had been running Yamalube 2R in the ski. He said something about it not being designed to be environmentally friendly, thus not having all the stuff that would damage the ski over time. However the manual for the SuperJet says to run Yamalube 2W. 2R appears to be made for ATVs and dirt bikes, as per them being on the bottle's picture. The 2W in contrast has PWCs on its bottle's picture. I've been going with the Yamalube 2W as per the SuperJet's manual.

What are your opinions on the which to run in a newer SuperJet? Was harm done to the engine by running the 2R? Is the 2R actually preferable to the 2W as far as keeping the carburetors more clear and the like? Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

 

[Mike W]

The 2W is TCW-3 compliant which is more environmentally friendly. I'm not a tree hugger but I like running oil that is not going to pollute so I would definitely run the 2W.

 

[Eliminator55]

The 2W is TCW-3 compliant which is more environmentally friendly. I'm not a tree hugger but I like running oil that is not going to pollute so I would definitely run the 2W.

I hate to seem too blunt. But I don't care about the environmental impact of running my ski. So considering that, was the previous owner correct in saying that the 2R is better for the ski? Does that mean a TCW-3 oil is more likely to clog carburetors and cause other issues over time than a non-compliant oil like the Yamalube 2R? I'm about to buy more oil and wanted the input before I do.

Thanks, again.

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[Mike W]

Well, maybe you should but that's another discussion. I never heard anything about any TCW-3 oil clogging up or deteriorating carbs but if you run ethanol free gas that will eliminate 99% of problems associated with gas. If you want a good oil to run then there are better choices out there that are TCW-3 compliant. I use Klotz Skicraft and Maxima Marine Pro.

 

[Eliminator55]

Well, maybe you should but that's another discussion. I never heard anything about any TCW-3 oil clogging up or deteriorating carbs but if you run ethanol free gas that will eliminate 99% of problems associated with gas. If you want a good oil to run then there are better choices out there that are TCW-3 compliant. I use Klotz Skicraft and Maxima Marine Pro.

The previous owner was running premiem grade fuel, which almost definitely had what's become the standard 10% component of ethanol. I told him I thought that 100% ethanol-free gas was preferable to a premium grade, even though the 100% has a far lower octane rating. I did obviously make sure the fuel met the minimum recommended octane rating stated in the manual. As a side note, I detest the government mandates and subsidies for ethanol to be placed in our fuel.

He ran the ski very little prior to my purchase. So hopefully that minor use with ethanol clogging fuel hasn't harmed the ski too much. And to think that most fuel in the future may be a 15% ethanol variant. I'd have to research that though.

Of the two you mentioned, Klotz and Maxima, which do you prefer?

I do hope the owner ran the 25:1 ratio for the first two tanks of fuel through the ski. I mentioned it, but he kind of had no comment.

As always,

I greatly value your input.

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[Mike W]

I'm definitely with you on the government mandating ethanol in our fuel. Makes my blood boil... but I digress.

If you are running stock compression then ethanol free gas will be fine. Around here (N FL) it ranges from 89-91 octane. I've ran just about every oil out there but I like the Klotz Skicraft out of all of them. The Marine Pro burns clean as well and never ran into any oil related issues.

 

[Big Kahuna]

2R does not have any rust inhibitors in it. 2W does. If you like rusty cranks go for it. 2R is a great oil... in 2 stroke dirtbikes.

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[Big Kahuna]

Also the 2W is more environmentally friendly. If not mistaken residue will dilute(break down) and help to not pollute the water. We all need to care. If nobody does, the exponentially the world is going to be in more trouble than it is now. You need to care. Each of us does.

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[37]

I personally won't run TC-W3 because the "ashless" requirement removes some of the heavy base oils in favor of lower smoke. You can find non-TC-W3 oil that's low smoke and still has a heavy base oil for maximum protection. Klotz R50 is exactly that -- a low-smoke racing synthetic that isn't TC-W3, but still 42% biodegradable and has rust inhibitors. I've always mixed it at 32:1 and my ski doesn't smoke.

Non-ethanol fuel is a good choice, especially if you store it for a long time. I run 91 E0 or 100LL depending on my engine build. Most local farmers don't run corn gas... even with modern equipment... in Indiana.


@Big Kahuna, @Mike W: Yamalube 2W isn't environmentally friendly. TC-W3 might smoke less but that doesn't affect toxicity. It's listed in TSCA (Toxic Substances Control Act) inventory. It's really just a re-branded generic Citgo TC-W3 oil. Nothing special about it. Compare the MSDS between 2W and R50, noting that R50 is listed as "practically nontoxic" despite being full synthetic. See attached files.

You can make your own decision on which you'd rather breathe and dump into your lake.

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[Mike W]

I personally won't run TC-W3 because the "ashless" requirement removes some of the heavy base oils in favor of lower smoke. You can find non-TC-W3 oil that's low smoke and still has a heavy base oil for maximum protection. Klotz R50 is exactly that -- a low-smoke racing synthetic that isn't TC-W3, but still 42% biodegradable and has rust inhibitors. I've always mixed it at 32:1 and my ski doesn't smoke.

Non-ethanol fuel is a good choice, especially if you store it for a long time. I run 91 E0 or 100LL depending on my engine build. Most local farmers don't run corn gas... even with modern equipment... in Indiana.


@Big Kahuna, @Mike W: Yamalube 2W isn't environmentally friendly. TC-W3 might smoke less but that doesn't affect toxicity. It's listed in TSCA (Toxic Substances Control Act) inventory. It's really just a re-branded generic Citgo TC-W3 oil. Nothing special about it. Compare the MSDS between 2W and R50, noting that R50 is listed as "practically nontoxic" despite being full synthetic. See attached files.

You can make your own decision on which you'd rather breathe and dump into your lake.

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Good info. Learn something new every day.

 

[vomitspot]

amsoil here

 

[farmski]

Amsoil interceptor, you can't get any better. Tore down a few engines and have been amazed at the cleanliness and quality of lubrication that it has provided. I've had people try other stuff and come back to it. Treat your components right and use the best!

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[kevbo]

The yamaha 701 is easy on its oil requirement. Use TCW3, it has better corrosion protection. You can spend $50/gal on "racing" oil and end up with more wear due to rust over time.

 

[Rushford_Ripper]

Amzoil HP injector - the blue stuff

 

[Citizen]

~$20 Walmart TCW3 for 12+ years. Never had an issue =)

Including 6 years straight on a 701 RN burning 10+ gallons of oil a season before I rebuilt it just for giggles.

I will agree your expensive oil smells better, but that's about it IMO

 

[guy_from_Iowa]

I know it's been mentioned before, but whenever I hear something about two stroke jet skis polluting the lakes, I always think of this article that talks about huge two stroke container ships burning bunker fuel and the small percentage that the ENTIRE jet ski community puts out compared to just ONE of these ships. Just something to think about that puts into perspective just exactly how small "we" are.....
http://newatlas.com/shipping-pollution/11526/