yamaslut
kill it
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- Daytona Beach, Florida
A PWC is classified as a boat and I have no idea what you were trying to say there... Unless it was reclassified they really can't ban them w/o banning boats
2012 Last year for the stand up jet skis?
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Big Kahuna
Administrator
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- Tuscaloosa, AL
Nick is correct. Your ski on the registration is listed as a "Boat under XX inches"
USCG classifies them as boats.
SuziQ
Banned
- Location
- an hour or so away
yet still, we (2-strokes) are being targeted. It is a matter of time before language gets changed. Do you wish to wait until it is too late, or would you rather have something in place to fall back upon. Matter of being prepared.
ger87410
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- Fort Worth
Come on guys. A PWC is not a boat. We call some 'boats', but that doesn't mean a thing in their classification.
EDIT: Ya'll are also missing a very important part. It's for NEW engines. When was the last time you saw a new 2-cycle boat main engine?
EDIT: Ya'll are also missing a very important part. It's for NEW engines. When was the last time you saw a new 2-cycle boat main engine?
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ATS_Aaron
X-
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- Shady Shores, TX
What does it mean for our tiny market? Not much really. The most popular "new" jet ski on here is a bare hull, be it Rickter, Stunt, B.O.B. etc. Bare hulls have no engines so no emissions requirement. There are pretty few 2008+ superjets on here. Most of us just keep fixing up our old stuff again and again.
XScream is an engine REBUILDER, not actual engine builder. Everything they do is considered a modification to a motor grand fathered in.
Looking at my own ski there really isn't much on it left from Yamaha at all:
cases - now available in billet from SB Products.
bed plates
driveshaft
pump wear ring
pump shoe
start stop switch case and some internals
EVERYTHING else is aftermarket and would presumably still be available.
The only DOOMING possibility I see is if 2 strokes are banned from public waters. Time to seriously support the AWA. Hopefully the clever lawyers on our side can lump our 2 stroke skis in with bass boats and the like. That could give us 5,000,000,000,000 fishermen on our side.
P.S. ATS_Scott and I make our living fixing, modifying and maintaining second generation Toyota MR2's. It is a car that has not been sold in the US in FIFTEEN YEARS. Even when it was sold the production numbers were LOW - especially in the later years (like <200 1995's). Despite these horrible facts our business is BOOMING.
Aaron
XScream is an engine REBUILDER, not actual engine builder. Everything they do is considered a modification to a motor grand fathered in.
Looking at my own ski there really isn't much on it left from Yamaha at all:
cases - now available in billet from SB Products.
bed plates
driveshaft
pump wear ring
pump shoe
start stop switch case and some internals
EVERYTHING else is aftermarket and would presumably still be available.
The only DOOMING possibility I see is if 2 strokes are banned from public waters. Time to seriously support the AWA. Hopefully the clever lawyers on our side can lump our 2 stroke skis in with bass boats and the like. That could give us 5,000,000,000,000 fishermen on our side.
P.S. ATS_Scott and I make our living fixing, modifying and maintaining second generation Toyota MR2's. It is a car that has not been sold in the US in FIFTEEN YEARS. Even when it was sold the production numbers were LOW - especially in the later years (like <200 1995's). Despite these horrible facts our business is BOOMING.
Aaron
SuziQ
Banned
- Location
- an hour or so away
even if it does, it is going to change, so basically it is a mute point in the long run.
SuziQ
Banned
- Location
- an hour or so away
ger87410
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The 2-strokers have been prime targets of the EPA for years, probably decades.
The USCG won't be able to change the classifications of the PWC to match those of a regular motorized boat because they'd also have to change the requirement. For instance, Navigation Lights.
Besides, all current skis are going to have to be grandfathered in. This will mean nothing more then no more new engines from the manufacturer. I bet there's going to be AM people out there still making engines. The easy way around those regulations, as already stated, the manufacturer just supplies the hull and another company supplies the engine.
The USCG won't be able to change the classifications of the PWC to match those of a regular motorized boat because they'd also have to change the requirement. For instance, Navigation Lights.
Besides, all current skis are going to have to be grandfathered in. This will mean nothing more then no more new engines from the manufacturer. I bet there's going to be AM people out there still making engines. The easy way around those regulations, as already stated, the manufacturer just supplies the hull and another company supplies the engine.
SuziQ
Banned
- Location
- an hour or so away
I concur (mostly), yet I still feel it is prudent to get an entity set up to fall back upon...anything can change (current admin is proof of that).
yamaslut
kill it
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- Daytona Beach, Florida
when you have more influence than the Coast Guard we will start listening to you, until then PWC's are boats... ha ha
I see 2 smoker engines all the time. most smaller boats run 2 smokers...
I know of 5 boats I can think of just off the top of my head and all but one is smoker...
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ger87410
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:lmao: Likewise, I guess. :wink:
They were engines manufactured within the past few years (ie. 2005+ model year) and being used as primary, not backup engines, right? Only primary engines will feel the effect.
Would you happen to know the displacement of those engines you saw? Engines below a certain size are exempt.
EDIT: I don't think racing boats count...
yamaslut
kill it
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- Daytona Beach, Florida
they are all like 50-150hp and primary. Don't know anyone that has a boat w/ 2 motors..
kraqus
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- Great State of Texas
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SuziQ
Banned
- Location
- an hour or so away
Are you guys having a “my motor knowledge is bigger than your motor knowledge” deal again? :biggrin:
Granted, we are discussing motors, but we are also discussing necessary strategy (legal), and unfortunately the two don’t always mix well. Kinda like putting 20 to 1 synthetic and 30 to 1 “the other stuff” all in one mix maybe? That’s how this thread seems without looking at it closely.
However, Memorial Day Weekend has arrived! :usa:
A question to muse during such time (still with respect to what you should be remembering) might be whether it is good to have an additional entity set-up for "racing and freestyle competition", still falling directly underneath the protection of the boating umbrella, or would that in fact make us easier to dissect (what they are doing…divide and conquer).
Think of it like Transocean and BP, lol.
Granted, we are discussing motors, but we are also discussing necessary strategy (legal), and unfortunately the two don’t always mix well. Kinda like putting 20 to 1 synthetic and 30 to 1 “the other stuff” all in one mix maybe? That’s how this thread seems without looking at it closely.
However, Memorial Day Weekend has arrived! :usa:
A question to muse during such time (still with respect to what you should be remembering) might be whether it is good to have an additional entity set-up for "racing and freestyle competition", still falling directly underneath the protection of the boating umbrella, or would that in fact make us easier to dissect (what they are doing…divide and conquer).
Think of it like Transocean and BP, lol.
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starter kill
aka LUFA-make some WAKE!!
- Location
- knoxville tn
who cares if they stop production, they aren't going to ban 2 strokes.
nuff said, go ride. =)
nuff said, go ride. =)
SuziQ
Banned
- Location
- an hour or so away
- Location
- mobile alabama
if jetskis are outlawed ......
........ then only outlaws will ride!
........ then only outlaws will ride!
WFO Speedracer
A lifetime ban is like a lifetime warranty !
- Location
- Alabama
As long as two stroke oil is available I will be running two strokes, if at some point I forsee it no longer being available I will buy a lifetime supply and store it at my facility for my own personal use.