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Go over to pwctoday.com. The x2 following is alot bigger. There are only a couple gen 2 guys over here (3 i think)
650/X-2 75 ish ??? is it possible
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Anyone remember this guy? http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/14230-212-HP-650cc-X2&highlight=212hp
What's funny is back in 2007, 212hp seemed ludicrous but we now have a 215hp RXP engine in a SXR out there.
What's funny is back in 2007, 212hp seemed ludicrous but we now have a 215hp RXP engine in a SXR out there.
Yes 20-25000 is what im planning for at the moment and yes i do plan on haveing one bad ski.... I may just have to get in contact with him at least talk to him and see how he likes it thanks for the info. Well i may have to drop the ski in at the place on the main channel its a small pebble rocky beach un fortunatly but it would make it possible in turms of run times and haveing to go back and fill up
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One of the benifits to the GP Class rules allowing the 1100 motors is the cost. You can build a 62mph S.S. SXR. It is going to cost you alot of money and your ski is not going to be reliable. Or, you can pick up a Kawi 1100 motor for peanuts. Do the conversion, which I hear is pretty simple and with just the motor alone with a good matched prop your running upper mid 50's. Now Add some carbs, head, port work and your pushing 60+. Now throw in some more $ on a pump and ignition and 65+ easily. But you had better know how to maintain and tune properly.
Vumad
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I really think that hou should spend 4,000 on a SXR and ride it. You will get a lot of answers to your questions by doing that. Buy a Bullett X2 hull, they are custom so just order it with motor mounts for twin and tripple set ups. Everything is interchangeable b/t the SXR and the Gen 2 except the steering. Once you have the Bullett X2 set up, decide if you want a 800 motor or an 1100 motor. If you want the 800, sell the SXR hull. if you want an 1100, keep the SXR hull, buy yourself the aftermarket parts and the 1100 motor, put the SXR back together and sell it complete.
Stop listening to the guy that wants to sell you something. When I was looking at street bikes, everyone I ever met said do not buy a 1000cc as my 1st bike, it's more power than a new rider could skillfully use. I walked into the dealer, and the 1st thing he said when I was looking at the R6 was, buy the R1, it's larger frame makes it more stable and safer for a new rider. I didn't buy
from him, because I believe the many experienced riders who all say the same thing over the salesman.
When you know what you want, tell the man what you want. But don't go to a guy that wants to sell you something specific, and ask, "what should I buy?" I can almost guarentee that the answer will always be"The most expensive thing I sell."
baby steps. I can buy a 30k super stock tweeked out race boat, and I could ride it, but I couldn't use it to it's potential. If you can't hold a 800 open through the corner, you will be carried by a lot of 1100 power rather than a lot of 800 skill. I used to beat YFZ 450's on my Warrior 350 because I knew how to ride my 350. i help the throttle wide open almost all the time. The 450's beat me in the straights, but I made up twice that time in the corners. Spending 30k on a high performance 1st boat will result in a really expensive boat you struggle to learn how to ride. Start small, learn the skill, then go big.
Stop listening to the guy that wants to sell you something. When I was looking at street bikes, everyone I ever met said do not buy a 1000cc as my 1st bike, it's more power than a new rider could skillfully use. I walked into the dealer, and the 1st thing he said when I was looking at the R6 was, buy the R1, it's larger frame makes it more stable and safer for a new rider. I didn't buy
from him, because I believe the many experienced riders who all say the same thing over the salesman.When you know what you want, tell the man what you want. But don't go to a guy that wants to sell you something specific, and ask, "what should I buy?" I can almost guarentee that the answer will always be"The most expensive thing I sell."
baby steps. I can buy a 30k super stock tweeked out race boat, and I could ride it, but I couldn't use it to it's potential. If you can't hold a 800 open through the corner, you will be carried by a lot of 1100 power rather than a lot of 800 skill. I used to beat YFZ 450's on my Warrior 350 because I knew how to ride my 350. i help the throttle wide open almost all the time. The 450's beat me in the straights, but I made up twice that time in the corners. Spending 30k on a high performance 1st boat will result in a really expensive boat you struggle to learn how to ride. Start small, learn the skill, then go big.
Stop listening to the guy that wants to sell you something. When I was looking at street bikes, everyone I ever met said do not buy a 1000cc as my 1st bike, it's more power than a new rider could skillfully use. I walked into the dealer, and the 1st thing he said when I was looking at the R6 was, buy the R1, it's larger frame makes it more stable and safer for a new rider. I didn't buy
When you know what you want, tell the man what you want. But don't go to a guy that wants to sell you something specific, and ask, "what should I buy?" I can almost guarentee that the answer will always be"The most expensive thing I sell."
baby steps. I can buy a 30k super stock tweeked out race boat, and I could ride it, but I couldn't use it to it's potential. If you can't hold a 800 open through the corner, you will be carried by a lot of 1100 power rather than a lot of 800 skill. I used to beat YFZ 450's on my Warrior 350 because I knew how to ride my 350. i help the throttle wide open almost all the time. The 450's beat me in the straights, but I made up twice that time in the corners. Spending 30k on a high performance 1st boat will result in a really expensive boat you struggle to learn how to ride. Start small, learn the skill, then go big.
well i guess yeah ill try and see if there are some used ones around here i guess i just wanted a nice ski so i went searching and wasnt thinking its funny you talk about he R1 incident... My dad started and owned for 20 years prairie motor sports in Wisconsin so sense i was little ive always had bikes in fact i dont think i could count how many bikes ive had from dirt to street. I started on a ninja 250 and worked up to a 1000 but also just went from a 450 motocross bike down to a 250 because the 450 was just beating me up and wasnt fun i like to drive things like i stole it and the smaller 250 allowed me to do that... just kinda realized this paragraph was a waste because i answered my own question to buy a stock sxr first.... BUT I WANT A BULLETT SOOOO BAD hahaha :sgrin:
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Buy a 800 bullet then! I know he has a stock 800 demo boat. Fly out to havasu for world finals and hook up with him. Get on it and ride. If you love it, place a order while your there. You will be into it for 9 or 10 grand and can upgrade as you go on. Add a pipe, carbs, mag pump and it will be ripppping! If you decide you want more, sell that setup and drop a 1100 into it. Its a simple conversion.
Contact rusty and try this demo boat http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=372398&highlight=bullet+x2
Too bad you missed this deal by two weeks. http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=379649&highlight=bullet+x2
Contact rusty and try this demo boat http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=372398&highlight=bullet+x2
Too bad you missed this deal by two weeks. http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=379649&highlight=bullet+x2
Vumad
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That's good advice. My advice was the cheaper route to get your riding right away while you order a hull. However, if you have 10K to spend, do what mydixiewrecked said. That's a much better quality and less work way to get on a Gen2X2 asap.
Thanks for the help guys i really appreciate the tips i think thats what I'm going to do is order a gen 2 from rusty this spring all stock 800 itll help me get better run times as well without the modded motor which will allow me to be on the water longer learning the ski... also if i go the 1100 route later i think i might keep the 800 and put it in a stand up hull and do a little freestyle i may end up liking the hole freestyle thing and an extra ski wouldnt hurt right :biggrin:...
one last little thing i found some information on... if any of you are into motocross you know that ktm is the last company to be consistently releasing new stuff for there 2 stroke dirtbikes but one thing that everyone seems to want is fuel injection in smokers well in that case Direct injection... i then stumbled across the 1100DI i remember reading that the 1100DI wasnt as reliable or couldnt be modded blew up easy??? vaguely remember reading about it why doesnt anyone run DI on there 1100 are they not the same motors?? i think Direct injection could really help fuel economy on these things and bring 2 strokes back to the market even with emission standards..
well anyway thanks for the help guys ik what im saving for then cheers to next spring cant wait:Banane35:
one last little thing i found some information on... if any of you are into motocross you know that ktm is the last company to be consistently releasing new stuff for there 2 stroke dirtbikes but one thing that everyone seems to want is fuel injection in smokers well in that case Direct injection... i then stumbled across the 1100DI i remember reading that the 1100DI wasnt as reliable or couldnt be modded blew up easy??? vaguely remember reading about it why doesnt anyone run DI on there 1100 are they not the same motors?? i think Direct injection could really help fuel economy on these things and bring 2 strokes back to the market even with emission standards..
well anyway thanks for the help guys ik what im saving for then cheers to next spring cant wait:Banane35:
Vumad
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The OP in that thread was talking about a 212hp twin 650cc NA 2-stroke motor weighing about 70 lbs creating 212hp. The Seadoo RXP is a Supercharged 1,500cc 3-cylinder 4-stroker weighing about 250lbs creating 215hp.
Those 2 things are not even slightly comparable. The 212hp 650cc sounds just as crazy now as it does then. The EME 1000 was available then and claiming almost 200hp. The 1100 tripples they are putting in the SXR were just as available then as they are now.
Really, the 650cc 212hp motor isn't that unrealistic in the world of possibility. Reading the specs of the proposed motor, 212hp might be a low number. The horsepower was realistic. I'm not sure why people didn't believe it was possible. It was the price tag that was unfathonable, 6 figures?
Look at the things he was suggesting. Variable exhuast diameter. It exists. It's expensive. Electronic water injection is used instead. Variable port timing? DI injection? nothing new. He's talking about running jet fuel in the thing. That wasn't invented last year. 14,000 rpm? F1 has been doing that for a while, 650cc with larger piston shorter stroke, higher rpm, less torque, more horsepower. Dual stage pump, heavy, but could get some more thrust. Variable pitch nozzle? that's allow larger prop pitches and again, more thrust. he goes on and on. Like he said. Aviation is way ahead, mostly because of the price tag. You and I wont be buying a 60,000 motor for our jet ski, but it could be made. And he mentioned stroking and boring it, so by the time he was done, it'd be 750 or 800cc anyway. How much hp do the superstock SXRs put out? And they don't have half the technology in them he was suggesting.
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