Other A lot of new companies, what's up with the undercutting?

[zeski25]

Probably getting bashed for starting this thread but this has gone too far. There are many new companies out there that I won't name that are undercutting real businesses big time. They get a part, sell it to the point of making nearly little to no profit. Both parties are happy, one saved money, one made a little money. Hopefully the purchaser has no problems with the part or set up because chances are the newbie seller does not know the nut to the cooling line, chances are the new seller has never even built a jet ski. They are just out to make fast cash.

This is my message to these companies...
Just out of curiosity, straight up. How does a "legit" company advertise below msrp prices and then add free shipping on the boards? Why can't you just make a honest buck like all the other companies and play by the rules that you signed and agreed to while becoming a dealer? Companies like you are really whor3ing the pwc industry out and killing real businesses. At the minimum at least advertise call for best pricing to be respectful.

To all the dedicated riders...
Moral of the story, know who you are buying from. Make sure they are well knowledgable,have fair pricing,shipping, and actually stock the product. When you call them back for tech or questions they will be able to help you out the first time. Establish a relationship with your parts company and know them on a first name basis. When you call on a saturday for a tuning question or issue chances are they will be there to help you because they have experience and have already been in your situation and found the proper solution. Especially with the high dollar ski's we are all building today, it's not worth risking it.

My heads on the chopping board here but I just had to get this off my chest for the people that are really working hard to keep the industry honest and respectful.

peace out, ride hard!

 

[john zigler]

Thank you!!!!!!!!!

 

[550/440]

Better prices usually helps grow a sport, and this sport isn't growing very quickly anymore... not sure what parts / businesses you are specifically taking a swing at either though.

 

[jetpilot36]

yeah i like to pay more for my parts.actually if i think the part is too cheap,i will offer to pay more so i will feel better.:dunno:

 

[DAG]

Who the hell pays msrp prices and when has a monopoly ever been a good thing?
Other than buying a shortblock, I'll be spending my money with USA company's which advertise the lowest prices, piece meal style. If you are getting undercut its time to lower your prices, obviously theirs some wiggle room.

 

[zeski25]

The perspective I'm coming at is from a honest business stand point. When you become a dealer you sign a contract not to advertise below msrp, it's basic business rules of becoming a dealer. I know everyone wants to save money, trust me I do too. Parts are expensive that's our reality. If you want to save coin go to Jetmaniac for good used fair priced parts. New performance add ons prices are not to be advertised below msrp, much less on a forum board with your business name...

I post videos of my riding progress all the time, I mainly ride flat water. If it was not for the knowledge that I learned from experienced companies like Wamiltons, Legdrag, and Thrust I wouldn't be half the rider I am today. I would be asking riders about "their set ups". Look how far Lucas Vasconselos's riding has improved since being on a Thrust built motor, he was on a bigger motor before. These companies build boats and have years of experience under there belts. They know what will work and what will not. There out to help you the rider and not just sell you a fast part. You cannot buy that kind of knowledge and for that I will pay the extra few doll hairs.

 

[zeski25]

im so glad you chimed in bro, the very person that emailed me today asking what "tips and advise" i had to give you about my set up. You are a prime example
i dont expect everyone to pay msrp and never said that, advertising lower prices is prohibited when being a dealer. It's like being a strip club and advertising sex for sale, its not legal. So dag you get a call from your boss tomorrow saying cheaper over seas workers are taking your job unless you work for less obviously there must be some wiggle room???

 

[Cannibal]

Advertising a part below MSRP is a good way of losing your dealership. These guys won't be around long if that's the case.

I do agree, keep back alley sales off a searchable forum. Someone is about to buy a product from an industry supporting dealer, gives a quick Google before hand and finds a thread on here listing a cheaper price from a guy out of his garage that sponsors nobody but his wallet.

I do know in other sports, certain dealers will offer PM prices to paid subscribers of that board, some incentive to support the place that brought the customer to the retailer.

 

[DAG]

SO DAG YOU GET A CALL FROM YOUR BOSS TOMORROW SAYING CHEAPER OVER SEAS WORKERS ARE TAKING YOUR JOB UNLESS YOU WORK FOR LESS OBVIOUSLY THERE MUST BE SOME WIGGLE ROOM???

I work in manufacturing, our plant has laid off ~450 of 700 workers in the last 12 months. Cheaper overseas workers are taking my job and I am working for less. Thus why I spend time researching best prices and ask a million people about there setups. Whats wrong with my spending habits?

 

[ChrisFiore15]

dun dun dun...
Its because the people who are selling extremely cheap are doing it out of their Dads or Moms Garage...
So therefore, they have no overhead, no electric bills, no heating bills, no employee wages, nothing of that sort...
Thats what is causing the problem, say they buy a part for 1000$, Well they can sell it for 1250 and be happy as a pig in . Because they made themselves 250$. Multiply that times lets say 100 of those items a month, thats amazing, 25,000. Excellent for someone with no overhead...

IN comparison, a company who owns a full retail location, with employees, electric bills, heating bills, rent, special machines, the knowladge of their highly paid employees/motor guys etc, well say they get that SAME part that little guy in garage gets, they pay the SAME 1000$, well, they CANT sell it for 1250, because that wont even leave enough for profit after taking out all their expenses... So lets say this same place sells 1000 of the items at the same price as small guy does, makes a 25,000$ profit, realistically that is not even enough to cover the expenses, no where close for a lot of these real name brand places.

So to those of you who are all like "well just lower the prices" or "there has to be some wiggle room" Frankly for a lot of the people who own the shops around here and do amazing work selling on the forums, they have way to much overhead.... I have spoken with a few of the people who own retail locations and have overheads, and they are at the bottom of the bottom for selling prices, and realistically, and lower, and they are going to be pushed into the loss colum and then those who really care about the sport and support it will be gone, and we will all be left with the people in their garages selling parts...

Support the People who Support you. Sometimes its not the best prices, but its the service after the sale that really counts IMHO.

 

[Fro Diesel]

Answer: good business practice...is competition.

What is the difference between a guy who pays the dealer cost for part and hooks up a fellow rider and what you are talking about. Just saying where do you draw the line.

I really can't believe you think these people are hurting the "business" or the "industry" by offering the 'hook-up' on parts. Now the advertising below msrp is between those parties involved, contractually.

Now there are people out there 'doing something different' and offering a slight better deal on parts.

If you let x person sell your parts and they make zero money selling them...why are you concerned....you regret allowing someone else to sell your parts where you could have made a profit. Isn't volume n service the goal in this industry?

To the OP... You have more competition in the jetski market now then ever. Why is this a bad Thing. Who is this really 'hurting'?

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[zeski25]

Just like i replied in the email earlier, less parts can be more effective if properly tuned and installed thus saving you money. Hopefully your lowest price builders can get it to run at optimal performance....good luck bro

SO DAG YOU GET A CALL FROM YOUR BOSS TOMORROW SAYING CHEAPER OVER SEAS WORKERS ARE TAKING YOUR JOB UNLESS YOU WORK FOR LESS OBVIOUSLY THERE MUST BE SOME WIGGLE ROOM???

I work in manufacturing, our plant has laid off ~450 of 700 workers in the last 12 months. Cheaper overseas workers are taking my job and I am working for less. Thus why I spend time researching best prices and ask a million people about there setups. Whats wrong with my spending habits?

 

[kevbo]

Probably getting bashed for starting this thread but this has gone too far. There are many new companies out there that I won't name that are undercutting real businesses big time. They get a part, sell it to the point of making nearly little to no profit. Both parties are happy, one saved money, one made a little money. Hopefully the purchaser has no problems with the part or set up because chances are the newbie seller does not know the nut to the cooling line, chances are the new seller has never even built a jet ski. They are just out to make fast cash.

This is my message to these companies...
Just out of curiosity, straight up. How does a "legit" company advertise below msrp prices and then add free shipping on the boards? Why can't you just make a honest buck like all the other companies and play by the rules that you signed and agreed to while becoming a dealer? Companies like you are really whor3ing the pwc industry out and killing real businesses. At the minimum at least advertise call for best pricing to be respectful.

To all the dedicated riders...
Moral of the story, know who you are buying from. Make sure they are well knowledgable,have fair pricing,shipping, and actually stock the product. When you call them back for tech or questions they will be able to help you out the first time. Establish a relationship with your parts company and know them on a first name basis. When you call on a saturday for a tuning question or issue chances are they will be there to help you because they have experience and have already been in your situation and found the proper solution. Especially with the high dollar ski's we are all building today, it's not worth risking it.

My heads on the chopping board here but I just had to get this off my chest for the people that are really working hard to keep the industry honest and respectful.

peace out, ride hard!

I wonder if PJS, Westcoast, Mariner, R&R Jettech, Butches, Lees, DCT, and Castiac were crying the same river fifteen years ago? These were the "real" businesses of the day that were forced out by the current establishment. Someday you will get to feel it first hand when your career gets offshored.

 

[McDog]

This thread has been building for a long time. I support those who take care of me by shipping quickly and answering the phone. I have a lot of friends in this business now and I try to spread the love as much as possible to hook my friends up but I do buy used a lot because I am cheap......well actually my wife is cheap and I don't want to have to have a conversation over my ski addiction costs anymore than I already do.

I agree that service is they key. I don't always buy new, but when I do, I know who will take care of me and I support them as much as possible.

 

[steve-uk]

i received a pm from a member last week who didnt like a price, he said to me "this forum isnt here for people to make a profit"


this wasnt an item i actively sell on this forum as in the US market as it wouldnt be competitive, but here i canada (when you take into account shipping/brokerage fees/taxes) its a fair price, especially when you can get the part immediately and yes i said the "T" work cos as business i have to pay and charge them here in canada!!

 

[zeski25]

Turbo at what point do I say you have to pay msrp prices? I'm saying at least advertise call for best price. Hooking returning customers up, and riders is the jam homie.

Answer: good business practice...is competition.

What is the difference between a guy who pays the dealer cost for part and hooks up a fellow rider and what you are talking about. Just saying where do you draw the line.

I really can't believe you think these people are hurting the "business" or the "industry" by offering the 'hook-up' on parts. If all you do is offer a ton of parts at msrp and you are hurting then get out of the business; you don't belong in it. Now there are people out there 'doing something different' and offering a slight dealer on parts.

If you let x person sell your parts and they make zero money selling them...why are you concerned....you regret allowing someone else to profit.

To the OP... You have more competition in the jetski market now then ever. Why is this a bad Thing. Who is this really 'hurting'?

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R&R jettech is the sickest company ever it's a shame they went out because they were smuggling drugs...PJS, Westcoast, Mariner stopped making parts to keep up with the times I don't have a answer for you.

I wonder if PJS, Westcoast, Mariner, R&R Jettech, Butches, Lees, DCT, and Castiac were crying the same river fifteen years ago? These were the "real" businesses of the day that were forced out by the current establishment. Someday you will get to feel it first hand when your career gets offshored.

Well said, this thread has been building up. I have received quite a few thank you's from small to large scale shops already thanking me for having the pistons to post this. The used parts market is awesome, it keeps a lot of people riding and a lot of people busy.

This thread has been building for a long time. I support those who take care of me by shipping quickly and answering the phone. I have a lot of friends in this business now and I try to spread the love as much as possible to hook my friends up but it do buy used a lot because I am cheap......well actually my wife is cheap and I don't want to have to have a conversation over my ski addiction costs anymore than I already do.

I agree that service is they key. I know who will take care of me and I support them as much as possible.

 

[FlightPlanDan]

I don't buy in bulk.
I buy when I have a need.
I have searched for the lowest prices on the parts that I need. I have bought at the lowest price. By the time I got the part to work as it meant to I had spent much more.
Multiple times.
Lesson Learned.
I like to think that I have a relationship with the guy that I get my parts from now. He treats me right, answers my questions, gives me a fair price, ships quick and I trust him.

Now, I go to the same guy for whatever it is that I need. If he can't get it, fix it or supply it....then I go elsewhere.
But the lesson is: Work with somebody that will work with you. Build a relationaship. It will pay in the long run.

Nothing against new sellers. Trust must be earned.
My seller has earned my business. I don't spend a lot at once, but I'm happy to nickle & dime him toward prosperity!

 

[imabadfish]

I find the issue for me is the local dealer never has anything in stock that I need. I live 10 minutes from the lake so you would thing a dealer that services all types of jetskis and boats would have what I need. I've tried getting mulitple items, multiple times from them, and have never been successful.

I would think that the dealer would keep inventory on parts that break down more often and are common parts between skis, like a starter solenoid, ebox rubber seal, starter, igintion coil, and other parts.

They also tell me they have to order it and then it takes days to get there... Why not just go to the guy selling stuff on the forums and get a used part for cheaper and have it at your doorstep faster...

As far as dealers goes selling items under the MSRP, that is just wrong, unfortunately some one like myself will jump on the cheap price thinking I'm getting a good deal, not that some one is breaking the rules. Ultimately though, isn't it up to the suppliers to monitor their dealers?

 

[FlightPlanDan]

"under cost" sellers won't be around long.
It's a shame that they are around long enough to take biz away from the good ones. But it's what seperates the boys from the men.
Natural selection. Capitolism at work.

 

[N3vrSat1sfied]

I don't buy in bulk.
I buy when I have a need.
I have searched for the lowest prices on the parts that I need. I have bought at the lowest price. By the time I got the part to work as it meant to I had spent much more.
Multiple times.
Lesson Learned.
I like to think that I have a relationship with the guy that I get my parts from now. He treats me right, answers my questions, gives me a fair price, ships quick and I trust him.

Now, I go to the same guy for whatever it is that I need. If he can't get it, fix it or supply it....then I go elsewhere.
But the lesson is: Work with somebody that will work with you. Build a relationaship. It will pay in the long run.

Nothing against new sellers. Trust must be earned.
My seller has earned my business. I don't spend a lot at once, but I'm happy to nickle & dime him toward prosperity!

Agreed. I don't spend a whole lot these days but there is one place/seller I always ask first! I know he/she will give me a good deal if they have what I need. If not then I look for the fall back that might be higher prices and maybe a larger business but also has what i need in stock.