Freestyle Affordable Power......... It's COMING

[zimmy]

rainbows and pixie dust. i'm sure this will make great power, but what's with all the unicorn talk. never need boring, no rust, yadidadido... the rings rust, the stuff still wears out, needs to be replated sometimes and will still score from the rings wear water has washed away the film of protective oil. get a couple of these motors out before you go comepletely gung hoe on the fairy dust.

You must not have read the whole thread.

Erik's rings will NEVER rust, nothing will ever wear out, nothing needs to be re-plated and nothing will ever be scored, except maybe getting a 10 out of 10 for an awesome design.... Just make sure you kick in real tight if you ever go for a test ride otherwise you will end up looking like Gramps did in NC, fist-full-o-throttle superman style!!!

 

[SuperDrifter]

This design, and Gramps ski are slightly ahead of their time.

 

[Scorn800]

Not to take anything away from Erik for designing what looks to be a great cylinder but Detonation will still ruin a nikasil cylinder. I know it happened to my stxr.

 

[kevbo]

Not to take anything away from Erik for designing what looks to be a great cylinder but Detonation will still ruin a nikasil cylinder. I know it happened to my stxr.

Detonation has a way of ruining everything, which leads me to my next questions. What is the minimum octane for extended full throttle runs? Is this even possible with peak power mixture?

 

[masterblaster]

I doubt many will be able to hold this motor wide open with the correct setup in a standup ski.In a blaster that might be a viable question.

 

[Scorn800]

I doubt many will be able to hold this motor wide open with the correct setup in a standup ski.In a blaster that might be a viable question.

Maybe you can't hold it wide open but some will. I know I ride every boat WFO. Ever watch TC ride? He rides WFO.
To say a freestyle or freeride guys don't ride fast is just dumb.
Erik's a smart guy and I'm sure he could set this motor up to pull hard thru the whole RPM range. It's just when unexperinced builder puts it together or someone over props it, it could detonate up top and ruin the plating & pistons
To say you'll never have to rebuild it and it will last forever is just untrue

 

[scottie mac]

Ahhhhm just for the record, and those who don't recognize sarcasm, Zimmy was joking.

Jeez.

SM

 

[albriki]

hey chris i send you an email about cost of shipping and am still waiting for answer ??

 

[masterblaster]

riding fast and riding wfo is 2 separate things,I promise you in the ocean no one will be holding this motor wide open sustained. Im sure it could be setup to do that in a blaster,but the only time a standup is going to be wide open sustained with this setup will be flatwater glass conditions. with the right tuning any motor can handle that,why would this one be any different?

 

[waxhead]

You can build a motor for wide open throttle runs and you can build a motor for throttle response and short bursts. Any of the engines you see at the world finials pro freestyle would be lucky to live more than ten seconds with wide open throttle.
If you want to build an engine to handle this then you back of on a few areas. From what I have seen in this cylinder and I have seen more than most on here, I know the timing figures as well. This engine will be fine in either configuration. Yes I know you can get throttle response on an engine you hold flat out all the time , but just not as much as you can in an engine that only has 5 second burts

 

[KTM434]

I think there is a confusion between the term of WFO (throttle plates) and WFO (top speed runs). Waxhead cleared up some of this confusion.

 

[Billybo455]

Ok. Well just like dry pipes you guys will say I'm right soon enough.

 

[kevbo]

riding fast and riding wfo is 2 separate things,I promise you in the ocean no one will be holding this motor wide open sustained. Im sure it could be setup to do that in a blaster,but the only time a standup is going to be wide open sustained with this setup will be flatwater glass conditions. with the right tuning any motor can handle that,why would this one be any different?

The aspect that worries me is 94mm bore. I fear the minimum octane requirement will be high unless power is reduced to levels of a smaller bore cylinder.

 

[waxhead]

The aspect that worries me is 94mm bore. I fear the minimum octane requirement will be high unless power is reduced to levels of a smaller bore cylinder.

How is this different than the dasa or a x-scream setup. As long as you have a bigger bore you have a greater path for the heat to travel and thus is going to be more prone to detonation

 

[masterblaster]

they are runnin at lower compression below 180 and using very little timing using pump fuel and making good power on flow characteristics alone... along with a few other cp tricks. I hear ya though im partial to longer stroke smaller bore as well,doing some testing with that setup as well,especially with the pricing of the new stroker cranks avail now

 

[Kawastyler]

We're lining up customers now, trying to get a rough estimate of orders and the work that will be required for each order.


Cylinder kits will be $2495 (cylinder, head, pistons, power valves, & hardware). Case work will be $325 (extensive porting and epoxy).


There will be options for new cases and cranks. There is also an option for sending in your own good cases and crank (assembly fees and cleaning fees{when needed} will apply.


We're still working on options for intakes etc.


The +10mil stroker kit will be available approximately 4 weeks after the SS cylinders are finished being produced.


If you are interested and want to reserve a spot please send an email to Chris at 701industriesUSA@gmail.com He will be putting the list together and helping to schedule orders.


THANKS and we look forward to working with you guys!!! Thanks for the patients.

Hallo, if i order a topend kit only you can send some pocs of done casework???
Shipping cases to you and back is very expensiv for me so i have to do it by myself....


Thanks, Andy

 

[zimmy]

Hallo, if i order a topend kit only you can send some pocs of done casework???
Shipping cases to you and back is very expensiv for me so i have to do it by myself....


Thanks, Andy

Andy, you may find it difficult to get Erik to send out detailed pictures of his port work. It may be easier for your situation to buy a set off Ebay in the US and send to Erik or buy from Erik direct and then have it shipped with the porting already done.

 

[zimmy]

Ok. Well just like dry pipes you guys will say I'm right soon enough.

I don't think you have made a ground breaking claim that this cylinder will probably succumb to wear and tear from regular usage and failure from abuse.

BUT, people should be excited that this cylinder is going to be sweet, offering nikasil plated cylinders that are a better option than steel for PWCs along with a few other key features that will make this setup work for most peoples budgets and power needs.

 

[ChadGnarly]

Erik has plenty of new sets of stock cases available.

 

[scottie mac]

I don't think you have made a ground breaking claim that this cylinder will probably succumb to wear and tear from regular usage and failure from abuse.

BUT, people should be excited that this cylinder is going to be sweet, offering nikasil plated cylinders that are a better option than steel for PWCs along with a few other key features that will make this setup work for most peoples budgets and power needs.

Zimmy, STOP! You are making too much sense!

ANYTHING can be broken, especially without proper maintenance or tuning. No motor is perfect. Erik's motor uses some really cool design features that, up until now, haven't been available in the PWC community. Some people in our sport think we are on the cutting edge, but we aren't. Look at the technology in the snowmobile market compared to ours, just for proof.

Some folks will catch on, some won't, but in the end, the consumers have an alternative to choose from that may just surprise a lot of people.

SM