aluminium mod chamber vs carbon chamber

[grezzmky]

What about fiberglass....?

 

[yamanube]

What about fiberglass....?

What about it?

 

[750SX]

Nobody ever said they make more power...the carbon is used for weight saving the same power + less weight = better p/w ration and is equal to the heavier pipe making more power. A stainless chamber would get hot as sh*t, and like the aluminum chamber once any bit of water hit it, it would steam and fill your engine compartment with steam....high performance steam filling your carbs okey:
Oh yeah, and the Japs where (probably still are?) running carbon chambers on their competition boats for a long time.

My sj has a steam engine in it anyways, the extra steam can't hurt anything.

 

[grezzmky]

What if I made one out of fiberglass? Using the same resin will it hold the heat? how hot does it get? can I paint my alum one?

can I make a fiberglass one??? and can I paint my alum one? how hot does it get.

 

[yamanube]

can I make a fiberglass one??? and can I paint my alum one? how hot does it get.

You probably could make a glass one but if you already have an aluminum one I wouldn't waste the time. I have seen them painted with high temp engine paint but I would personally powdercoat or ceramic coat it...properly tuned they get hot enough to sizzle water.

 

[grezzmky]

What is the clear coating thats coming off? can I strip the rest of that and polish it up a bit?

 

[restosud]

there is no way you can run a carbon chamber run as dry as an alloy one.
the resin would soften if ran to dry!
so for max hp the alloy is still the one.
weight difference is negligible imo.
all the b pipes i've seen have some rub marks on the chamber.i'm sure carbon with epoxy will love that!

 

[GIL]

I hear the ban hammer in my NEAR future for this post, but it is the Honest to GOD's truth 100% MY OPINION---


After Paul built my 5 mil Lamey last year I had issues w/my TNT cracking all the time and lost patience and went back to a B. Crammit sent me one of his B limited carbon chambers that he made. I ran it for a good while, finally took all my chambers to the lake for the back 2 back testing. I carried an aluminum limited, Crammits carbon limited, an aluminum mod, and a blaster mod.

RESULTS

alledgedly the carbon chamber loses power after 15 minutes of run time-B.S.
I ran the carbon lim for 30 minutes and then installed alum lim and could tell NO difference other than the raspy noise of the carbon while it was still somewaht cool ie 1st couple of minutes run time.
The blaster mod killed my power curve everywhere-felt as if trailer was still attached to the ski. LOL

There is a noticeable difference in the power curve from the 2 limiteds to the mod, my vote is still out on which one I prefer, limited or mod. I will say this, Crammits limited does not look anything like Steve's or Wamilton's carbon chambers.

 

[cookerq62]

Get a blaster mod pipe they are stainless, they sound better and are easier to install.

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

I'm curious as to how tuning the pipe hotter is going to work at getting more Hp if the carbon cools quicker, being that the sonic return wave is slowed by a cooler temp in the chamber? I've always had better performance using stainless steel over aluminum. I have yet to see anyone make a stainless B chamber. I have a stainless R&D pro series on an sxi motor that makes good power.

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

Nobody ever said they make more power...

uh... the link you posted to their website mentions the contrary to that statement...lol

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

I think there's a big misconception going in this thread - about carbon chambers being cooler.
The chamber doesn't influence how hot the exhaust gases are.

uhm.... yes it does. that's why stainless steel chambers hold their temperatures better, offering better sustained hp readings. the cooler a chamber gets, the cooler the gases are inside, thereby directly effecting and slowing the return wave speed back to the ports. that's why they're (wamiltons) saying you have to dry it (carbon chamber) out to get it to run hotter. which, in their case, is sort of confusing if the stuff cools faster. if you needed more power out of a chamber you could just run it hotter as one of the overall tuning aspects, regardless of what material it's made of, carbon, aluminum, or stainless steel.

 

[Matt_E]

I'm curious as to how tuning the pipe hotter is going to work at getting more Hp if the carbon cools quicker, being that the sonic return wave is slowed by a cooler temp in the chamber? I've always had better performance using stainless steel over aluminum. I have yet to see anyone make a stainless B chamber. I have a stainless R&D pro series on an sxi motor that makes good power.

It doesn't.

It does the exact opposite.

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

It doesn't.

It does the exact opposite.

so, it can handle more heat because it's carbon?

 

[Matt_E]

so, it can handle more heat because it's carbon?

That I don't know.

I am saying it doesn't conduct/dissipate heat nearly as well as aluminum.
That's why it's cool(er) to the touch.

uhm.... yes it does. that's why stainless steel chambers hold their temperatures better, offering better sustained hp readings.

I didn't make myself very clear - I reread what I wrote, and it's confusing.
Here's what I meant: Chamber material doesn't immediately affect combustion temperature.

 

[crammit442]

Thanks for clearing that up, Im not trying to make the argument that carbon chambers are better than aluminum so nobody is confused just saying that I like my carbon chamber (really like it) and have no plans to replace it with an aluminum one because IMO I won't gain anything (but weight) but had I not got this pipe I would not likely go out and spend $500 on a new carbon chamber because I am cheap.

I made your chamber if it's the cobalt blue one in the pics.

I think you need a red carbon chamber!

Like this one?

P.S. Also a pic of the blue one before it was ever run.

 

[Matt_E]

Photoshop.


You just read that on the Intarweb. :fingersx:

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

That I don't know.

I am saying it doesn't conduct/dissipate heat nearly as well as aluminum.
That's why it's cool(er) to the touch.





I didn't make myself very clear - I reread what I wrote, and it's confusing.
Here's what I meant: Chamber material doesn't immediately affect combustion temperature.

so, I'm thinking now that the carbon chamber is a self-insulator that is keeping the temps enclosed without letting them escape out of the walls (like on metal pipes) and if that's the case, then you wouldn't have to run it as hot consistantly as a metal pipe to maintain sonic return wave speed?


lol

 

[Matt_E]

I don't know and I am not about to speculate.

Just wanted to point out that carbon does not dissipate heat better.

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

I don't know and I am not about to speculate.

Just wanted to point out that carbon does not dissipate heat better.

well, it has to be a self-insulator or it wouldn't run hotter on the inside and be touchable on the outside at the same time. that's a given.