Freakrider
X247
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- Tampa Bay area
The new oem Kawi coil Roland inspected was NOT tinned so possibly they are not all the same, but it definitely was not tinned.
Freestyle Atp Flame Ts2 discussion
- Thread starter Jyzmbe
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Maybe from a different model or new old stock. The ones we use have always been tinned. We seal the only exposed wire at the crimp well also so water can't get there anyway.
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- South Florida
Just set it on there and turn it. Pull it off and adjust the pickup plate. It doesn't have to be bolted on for the pickup to sense it.
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- South Africa
ATP always makes out it is something you're doing wrong, they will never admit there may be something wrong with their product.
Same as MSD, over the last 20 yrs. I've had 3 brand new ,right out of the box Enhancers that were dead, and you wouldn't believe the bull I got right from MSD!
On the one hand, I can't really blame atp or msd for acting that way, most people have no understanding of how electrical systems work and probably have no business messing with them.
But on the other they should be respectful ans receptive and at least take back the mechandise and test it.
I had an atp epic that I REALLY wanted to run and had a starting issue after the ski warmed up and wouldn't want to fire up when engine reached operating temp. I would even have paid them money to test and diagnose their product but they wouldnt do anything. Ocd looked at it and said the timing was erratic so it's now a fancy paperweight.
The times I did run the atp epic it produced the best performance I have ever had. Don't get how it can work that well and have this one little fault that can't be fixed. Lol
You get issues like this when desk job people design things. Yeah sure it's cool to have laptop programming but do we really need all that complexity? All we need is a non programmable improvement to the msd enhancer. 24-28 advance down low and about 16* on top. The problem was a FOOLISH design from the get go...had they used their noggins they would have been successful with that product.
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Quinc
Buy a Superjet
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- California
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- South Florida
How did I do back to back testing or how is one stronger? I guess multiple spark discharge makes a difference?
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Yeah that's surprising to me that there would be a noticeable difference between one ignition system and another if they are both using the same curve.
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- Valley Springs, CA
Spark strength, spark duration, flywheel weight, sensor type. A lot of factors that make one system perform better than the other with the same curve. Most riders probably would never notice the difference which is why we have really never heard a comparison
He described it as "hands down stronger"...that doesn't sound like a change that "Most riders probably would never notice the difference"
Flywheel weight....well was one flywheel heavier than the other? McDog did the test he's right here in the thread he can tell us.
sensor type...why would that matter?
This is all assuming "the same curve" means the same actual curve at the spark plug, not the same curve programed into the ignition. If there is some error between what is programed in and what actually happens obviously that's a different curve as far as the motor is concerned which easily explains a difference. But it would make 'back to back testing with the same curve' kinda pointless so I'm assuming that McDog confirmed that the curves were in fact the same.
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- South Florida
Both were extra light flywheels. One from #zero and the other straight from ATP. Same curve programmed in but I don't know of any means to test that otherwise. ATP is set to 40 degrees static advance and the ignition does the rest but the MSD is set to actual starting advance so maybe that makes a difference too. The rest is over my head but the MSD felt stronger on the order of a powerfactor over a bpipe.
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Quinc
Buy a Superjet
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- California
Anyone try the TS2 back to back with this setting? Does the MSD also have the second spark?
The TS2 can be run entirely in combined spark mode which doubles the available spark energy or twin spark up to an adjustable rpm and combined afterwards. The best setting we found during dyno testing was twin spark up to 6000 rpm with the second spark firing 7° later then combined spark after 6000rpm. This setting gave the engine incredibly clean acceleration and richening the high speed adjusters by as much as 1 1/2 turn each from the original optimum caused no significant drop off in RPM and showed no signs of "four stroking", proving the ability of the T/S unit to burn fuel more effectively.
The TS2 can be run entirely in combined spark mode which doubles the available spark energy or twin spark up to an adjustable rpm and combined afterwards. The best setting we found during dyno testing was twin spark up to 6000 rpm with the second spark firing 7° later then combined spark after 6000rpm. This setting gave the engine incredibly clean acceleration and richening the high speed adjusters by as much as 1 1/2 turn each from the original optimum caused no significant drop off in RPM and showed no signs of "four stroking", proving the ability of the T/S unit to burn fuel more effectively.
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- South Florida
The one I had at the time was a ts2 set for dual spark as recommended.
- Location
- South Africa
TS2 had a hesitation, guessed it was coil breaking down, but never tested again with a new one to make sure, been running the MSD for 2yrs, no problem
Christian_83
Xscream
- Location
- Denmark
Like @zzylstra said, most "average joe" riders, will not be able to tell the difference between, say MSD and ATP TL.
Same goes for most riders will not be able to tell if their prop is 1, 2 or 3 deg off. But riders who ride and train seriously can feel the difference, no doubt.
I think Art at ET, did some dyno testing ATP vs MSD.
Btw i dont think i would be able to tell the difference between ATP TL and MSD
Same goes for most riders will not be able to tell if their prop is 1, 2 or 3 deg off. But riders who ride and train seriously can feel the difference, no doubt.
I think Art at ET, did some dyno testing ATP vs MSD.
Btw i dont think i would be able to tell the difference between ATP TL and MSD
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- South Florida
Like I said before, I love my gen 1 flame in the surf. Bang for the buck it can't be beat.