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Is the carbon chamber a Wamilton thing?
b pipe carbon chamber
- Thread starter x2ryder
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Lenzi sells one as well www.lenziparts.com
w-nut
x2 nut
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- christchurch new zealand
how do the carbon and normal b pipes compare to each other for proformance, ive always wondered if they if there is a differance .
Foximus
CFL Cheapass.
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- Oviedo, Fl
Carbon would absorb more and not have good sonic resonance.
Same with the factory pipes that are aluminum.... they are lighter but dont resonate and hit as hard as the chambers that are stainless steel.
That is all in theory of coarse. They could have modified the volume and shape to compensate.
But I doubt it.
Same with the factory pipes that are aluminum.... they are lighter but dont resonate and hit as hard as the chambers that are stainless steel.
That is all in theory of coarse. They could have modified the volume and shape to compensate.
But I doubt it.
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- s florida
wammer claims a 3+hp gain with it or your money back!! anybody got a dyno to test that?
BTW, I think they are like $500 or so
BTW, I think they are like $500 or so
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Ask Crammit 442 he had one.
Big Kahuna
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no, he made one or two of them.............
but splitting hairs!!!!!!!
Lets just say he is not running them.
From the little information I have found you do not run the carbon chamber with the same setup you do on the aluminum ones. I will be testing this setup this season and give it a review then.
On the flip side they also absorb the heat better and do not radiate it into the engine compartment as bad.
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Here is a thread on the testing and results of the carbon chambers.
http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=43916
http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=43916
thegoldenboy
RN Surgery... soon
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- Toronto
Unless you are making a buildoff boat, I'd say forget it. Not worth $500 for the bling.
wydopen
onthepipe
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- Goleta the Goodland
hopefully ill be trying one out soon..ill let you know
teton
tetongravity.com
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there is no way a carbon chamber will have any benefit if anything a loss. 2-stroke exhaust is all about reflection of high frequency sound waves, just look at any publications on 2-stroke theory. and carbon composite dampens this resonance (this is why they make road bike frames/forks out of carbon composite...for the weight as well). Plus who can feel 3 hp.
carbon chambers are an easy way to make a quick buck by pulling a mold off a b-pipe chamber. I have never read any legitimate science behind them.
wammer is a good guy but I'm calling a bull$hit card on this one.
now a stainless chamber would be something to write about.
carbon chambers are an easy way to make a quick buck by pulling a mold off a b-pipe chamber. I have never read any legitimate science behind them.
wammer is a good guy but I'm calling a bull$hit card on this one.
now a stainless chamber would be something to write about.
crammit442
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Since I am one of the people who have built a carbon chamber I'll say what I know about the issue. First, it's anything but easy to make and have it look presentable. The "test results" from the link that Tricky provided are to be almost entirely disregarded. We all know now there was never any dyno testing done back then. To further make the point, the "dyno testing" that was done showed an INCREASE in power with the carbon chamber over the metal versions. My seat of the pants testing was pretty inconclusive. I ran it on my superjet with an untuned underpowered motor. The difference between carbon/al chambers showed little difference. When I finally got around to getting a serious motor I used the metal pipe to reduce the chance that a poorly performing pipe could skew my tuning. I've just never gotten around to doing any further testing. If my theories about the supposed loss of power are correct, there is a viable soluton that would correct the issue. At this point in my life it just hasn't been a priority. Making them of high enough quality where I would be comfortable with others seeing my work takes an immense amount of work and time. Gil has one now to play with and as he gets comfrtable with his motor he will be swapping in the chamber to do some more objective testing. He doesn't have any money involved so he doesn't have any reason to "feel" power that isn't really there.
dbrutherford
Parts Whore
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- Fairmont, WV
I saw Gil's chamber you made. It sure was purdy...
You want to make any custom carbon X2 parts?
You want to make any custom carbon X2 parts?
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- atlanta ga
i like mine better then the tnt chamber.
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Yeah you are right carbon fiber sucks,I wouldn't have any of that nasty stuff on my ski.If you really think its an easy way to make a quick buck then you obviously have no clue what is involved in making one.
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ever notice how after a little riding the ski seems to loose a fair bit of power as the engine heats up and the engine bay turns into a virtual sauna?? But after you pull the hood and cool out for about 5min. the ski seems to be super crisp and crack-a-lackin, Huh... so how does one reduce a heat soaked and steamed up freestyle engine compartment caused by that sizzling metal chamber without 10lbs of water filled dry pipe jacketing:thinking: maybe the top Brazilians and Japanses riders/tuners know something:fing02:...an engine bolted up to a dyno in a huge fresh air/no humidity charged room is a Far-very far cry from the real world environment of a freestyle engine bay where there is no ramed air and heat and humidity are all that remain to breathe:wizard:
teton
tetongravity.com
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whoa easy, Im not saying carbon sucks, its an amazing material, hell my ski has it everywhere. Im just saying from a scientific perspective that it dosen't make sense. people like wammer are geniuses with carbon fibre, may not be easy for most people, but its definitely easier than designing a brand new chamber for him. I just think that its a bad application. when someone has some real proof you can say "I told you so" and rub it in my face.
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I will agree in as much as most people could not tell a 3 hp difference if there was one.I aslo agree that it would probably reduce underhood temps,so basically its six of one and a half dozen of the other,the dyno results won't cut it on this one.