I'm now able to get my 898 PFP Phantom 3/4 of the way around, nose of the ski and my helmet hit water at the same time. I'm completely locked into foot holds , hands on bars and perfectly on the ski except for the fact I'm upside down underwater. I spent weeks crashing at all different angles learning to stay feet locked in, hands on the bars so I know where the ski is at all times in relation to my body. I wait for everything to settle before releasing the ski and surfacing. Sometimes the ski is still running, sometimes not. I right the ski by rolling counter clockwise from back of ski (toward exhaust) and reboard for another go. My problem is the restart. The boat is gurgly so I ride around trying to blip it out. Never seems to recover without me pulling plugs, drying, and putting them back in. With a fresh start, I get 3/4 around , after, it struggles to even tail stand. I know the answer is to get around completely, but I'm not quit there yet, and the learning curve is killing me. Deep water reboards take more out of me than the upside down controlled crash itself. Is this just the way it is? I don't think I'm missing anything tuning wise, the boat will stay brappy happy and snappy for a whole tank. Anyone have any advice?
Beginner Backflips, is this Normal ?
- Thread starter mikesx
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Clockwise from rear of ski. Sounds like you are dunking your carbs every time you flip it back over.
Are you reboarding from the side or the rear?
I always board from the side (because that's what is easiest for me) and have never had a problem with my laydown pipe ski, but I have had other people flop my ski and try to re-board from the rear and end up with water ingestion I think from the pipe (not sure, has only happened a very few times and I don't particularly want to reproduce it).
This is flipping it over whichever direction is most convenient. Tipping to the left to board. I agree that clockwise from the rear is the better way to flip over though.
I always board from the side (because that's what is easiest for me) and have never had a problem with my laydown pipe ski, but I have had other people flop my ski and try to re-board from the rear and end up with water ingestion I think from the pipe (not sure, has only happened a very few times and I don't particularly want to reproduce it).
This is flipping it over whichever direction is most convenient. Tipping to the left to board. I agree that clockwise from the rear is the better way to flip over though.
Holy chit! You guys are right, senior moment here. Maybe I hit my head too many times. From a completely inverted position going counter clockwise the carbs will act like scoops going “down” into the low position. What about water in the waterbox coming back into the PFP, because clockwise the exhaust goes low?
As far as reboarding, my preferred method was exhaust side low, right foot kicked into right foothold, crank bars full right, and punch it, ski would come right up. That was before I started ending up completely inverted. Now I pretty much have to get the boat level, crank it and go on over the rear from an inverted landing. The other reason I was going counter clockwise was to get the scupper (x metal) up quicker.
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- Glenmoore pa
Also bad. Always rotate clockwise and get on from the left side. Keep the carbs high. If u Rock it the other way water in the exhaust can go up the manifold and into the motor.
Yes , ski pulled over onto left side, carb side high, pole parallel to and in water , right foot in right foothold, bars cranked full right, back of ski would go down into water and would just pull me up. Since the inverted landings started, I have to have boat level for it to even start, necessitating rear boarding. I am running the PFP as a dry pipe with the only water going in the stinger. Do you think it's possible water is making it all the back to cylinder from the waterbox when ski is rolled onto left side?
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- Glenmoore pa
Possibly but I’d bet your prob is just u were rolling it over wrong direction. I had similar problems when I did that years ago my first couple times out on my havoc
I'm definitely going to try the clockwise rotation righting of the boat, should be upside down in the water by midday tomorrow.
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- Charlotte, NC
When I've had my superjet upside down and rolled it over counter clockwise, the end result is wet plugs as well and I'm running 2 61x flame arrestors. I'm running a fpp pipe with a tnt chamber no laydown. I'll remember clockwise from now on haha.
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- Charlotte, NC
Righting the Ski clockwise drops the water to the exhaust side and puts the carbs on the top during rotation instead of the bottom with water splashing on it. With stock flame arrestor having the opening on the bottom water can go right in when righting the Ski up counter clockwise.
I purposefully built this boat for “learning“ flips and one of the reasons I bought this particular hull was that it had no hoses installed in the hood liner. Yes, mikesx , poster of the Are Pole Breathers Enough thread is only running pole breathers, ran all the down to the tank. I did use the manometer, and I have some drop when snapping it up, but chose to minimize water intrusion over performance since I knew I’d be exactly where I’m at, upside down , deep water, with a scupper. I’m running the 1.5 Tau Ceti’s for intakes. I did 100’s of unusual attitude crashes just to get comfy and never had ANY issue with restarts, it seems to have started with the completely inverted endings. And it is always just the rear plug that’s wet/fouled. The front plug, perfectly powdery tan every time. I’m really thinking with the boat upside down and the pfp box upside down when I roll the boat water that has settled in the upside down waterbox has no place to go but around the pfp ”horn of plenty” to the exhaust mani, and if you look at the shape of the mani the water is gonna be more likely to pass the hard bend front exh runner and go right into the gentle bend rear runner. Anyway, I gotta get this thing around already!
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- Glenmoore pa
Post some fail videos. We can give you some flip pointers also.
The scary part is I’m riding lone wolf, in a river, with tides and a scupper. Never was much of a picture taker. What’s the setup, like GoPro on a tripod? I gotta get something so if I pull off I have vid, because I know, without vid it didn’t happen.
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- Glenmoore pa
My setup is beg my wife to take videos lol. Sometimes I rest my phone on a gas can. Videos are key in progressing
I’ve got the iPhone se, great for fitting in your front pocket, sucks for pics. Yeah and I get it on the Mrs. , mine encourages this hobby to get me away from her lol.