Freestyle Best Freestyle Hull?

[djkorn1]

how about posting some weights and basic specs for the hulls like length, width, etc...

Tough to do as many of the hulls have different options. You can order any Trinity in 3 different weights and different lengths...

I am beginning to agree with Nick, this thread is pointless. I am just putting my opinion on construction, and Bobby's seem to be built the strongest/cleanest. I went with my EVO because I wanted SXR handling, but shorter and lighter and I wanted to run my Kawi powerplant.

 

[iptamenos]

i am possitive that i began a similar thread in the past ....

 

[menatep]

How much does a superfreak hull cost?

 

[SurferSmurf]

How much does a superfreak hull cost?

i think its 9k

 

[Berky]

Ah yes , the 9k option is nice, paint, turf, hood seal, pump shoe, scupper, carbon pole, bracket and a stripper that pops up out of the engine compartment when you pull the hood off !
Like Nick said everyone likes their own flavor try everything out there and even then your not getting true test as pole length, ride plate, pump, powerplant, may not be the same as how your set up will be.

 

[JetManiac]

yup.... there are too may factors for someone to tell another person which one is best. You need to ride them and figure it out for yourself. THis thread is pointless

Nick, I don't think that it is pointless. People want to discuss different a/m hulls and consider their options. Many Xers have ridden and own different hulls and have their impressions to offer. No one should pick a hull just by this thread, but it can be helpful place to start. Also, many live in places where it is impractical/impossible to test ride many a/m hulls.

Finally, there isn't a 'best' a/m hull anymore than there is a 'best' motor, rideplate, pipe, etc. There are so many variables involved: flatwater vs. surf, rider weight/skill/ridestyle, budget -just to name a few.

'Best' is always a personal judgement. I am glad that there are so many choices and so much innovation in hulls right now.

BTW, there is a forum just for this purpose:
http://www.x-h2o.com/forumdisplay.php?132-Custom-Hybrid-Aftermarket

 

[yamaslut]

Nick, I don't think that it is pointless. People want to discuss different a/m hulls and consider their options. Many Xers have ridden and own different hulls and have their impressions to offer. No one should pick a hull just by this thread, but it can be helpful place to start. Also, many live in places where it is impractical/impossible to test ride many a/m hulls.

Finally, there isn't a 'best' a/m hull anymore than there is a 'best' motor, rideplate, pipe, etc. There are so many variables involved: flatwater vs. surf, rider weight/skill/ridestyle, budget -just to name a few.

'Best' is always a personal judgement. I am glad that there are so many choices and so much innovation in hulls right now.

BTW, there is a forum just for this purpose:
http://www.x-h2o.com/forumdisplay.php?132-Custom-Hybrid-Aftermarket

It is pointless for someone to tell someone else what hull to buy.... You can say, I like these certain properties of this hull and you can make a informed decision based upon it, but it's only hearsay and you will not know unless you ride it several times. I never said people should not discuss hulls on this forum. Read what I posted.

How is what I highlighted in your post saying anything different that what I said in my earlier post????

 

[yamaslut]

.... and there are 50 threads already going discussing hulls and their properties... do a search

 

[Aircraftsalz]

I would say Superfreak ( Same version as Lucas has, Pat Bogart/Jason Stoyer hull from WF 09) Perfect flatwater ski, I would say its one of the lightest out there. Tem builds a great hull, send Tem (Berky) a pm if you want price. IMO it handles the best for a flatwater ski, you can still lake ride it at speed, etc. Its the best of both worlds! I took a flatwater Superfreak & rode it in the surf 100%, Tem builds a super strong ski!

The Rickter's are better in the surf than flatwater... I love my Rickter, its stable, handles great, but its a surf ski, sucks for flatwater (Unless your Rick Roy, etc)

I've had a few Superjets, Carbon Superfreak, Carbon Rickter.

I've rode a lot of ski's also, 3 Superfreak versions, BOB, Matrix, FX1, SJ's, Wamiltons SXR.

The BOB would make a good cheap flatwater ski with the right footholds. But its a flatwater only ski, your not running around the lake on it.

SUPERFREAK for Flatwater (Still great surf hull)
RICKTER for SURF

Thats my .02

 

[Lucaumpits]

x2

I would say Superfreak ( Same version as Lucas has, Pat Bogart/Jason Stoyer hull from WF 09) Perfect flatwater ski, I would say its one of the lightest out there. Tem builds a great hull, send Tem (Berky) a pm if you want price. IMO it handles the best for a flatwater ski, you can still lake ride it at speed, etc. Its the best of both worlds! I took a flatwater Superfreak & rode it in the surf 100%, Tem builds a super strong ski!

The Rickter's are better in the surf than flatwater... I love my Rickter, its stable, handles great, but its a surf ski, sucks for flatwater (Unless your Rick Roy, etc)

I've had a few Superjets, Carbon Superfreak, Carbon Rickter.

I've rode a lot of ski's also, 3 Superfreak versions, BOB, Matrix, FX1, SJ's, Wamiltons SXR.

The BOB would make a good cheap flatwater ski with the right footholds. But its a flatwater only ski, your not running around the lake on it.

SUPERFREAK for Flatwater (Still great surf hull)
RICKTER for SURF

Thats my .02

 

[RiverRat]

Original eme signiture series and wdk rok hull. Both are excelent in the flat and in the surf.

 

[IceMan]

The Best "Flat Water" Freestyle hulls are

1. Lenzi1one 2. Super Freak 3. EME Q8 4. Ultra Light "Rickter" Carbon Kevlar

Though not necessary in that order and with all my respect to the other hulls out there that i have not mentioned!!!!

The best way to choose a freestyle hull before buying it is to actually RIDE it.... As some1 said earlier in this thread...

However; here are some points you should consider!!

1. Performance
2. Quality
3. Looks
4. Budget

Some riders prefer looks over performance, some riders prefer quality over performance, I personally prefer performance overall but at the end of the day it will all depend on what you prefer and how much you willing to spend...

Not to forget the MOTOR as well....

Hope this helps...

 

[ATS_Aaron]

Opinions are like a-holes. Here's mine:

The base model Rickter is more of an all around ski than a freestyle machine. It's fun on flat water (especially with a big motor) and it is redonkulously stable in the choppy surf we get in the gulf. I rode an EME 1000 just before buying my Rickter. I'm glad I stuck with the Rickter. It's fun enough on set-up wakes and still very capable to chase a cruiser wake (although I am currently fuel tank limited there).

The Trinity Matrix appears to have the best quality. But there are bad rumors floating around about the high speed handling. In the latest video you can see it chine walk with Parr on it. Plus it seems like all but one of them have been sold off by the original owners:

the guy with TWO beautiful blue ones - SOLD BOTH
Pancake Pete - SOLD
One in IL on Ebay last week - SOLD
Josh Lustic - SOLD

Did I miss any? Where is the silver one from the Daytona vids?

HUGE SORRY TO BOBBY. You've got an awesome reputation for quality. I don't know if you have heard these, and you might think I'm a jerk now, but maybe you can see the value of an outside perspective?

Waterdawg ROK is promising, but still suffers from over-promise/under deliver.

The STUNT is not even a hull in my opinion. More like a hull-kit and what you have when it's done is 100% dependent on what you put in it. I am sure Chad's STUNT is sweet, but I am also sure that there will be half built incomplete STUNTS for sale for years.

The BOB looks cool (to me). The inside finish is not as good as I had hoped for. But the support from the manufacturer appears to be way, way above the industry standard. They are getting close to actual promised delivery times. An the price is right. Is it in the league of the Matrix/Rickter/Q8? I doubt it, but at $3500-$4000 it doesn't have to be. I think a BOB would be awesome, but I wouldn't want it as my only ski..but again at $3500-$4000 it might not have to be.

I've spoken to a few others and the BEST hull combination might be a superlight Trinity EVO (possibly cut back) with a 1000cc motor. Basically combine the known stability of the SX-R bottom (same bottom as the older EME Signature hulls) with the lightness of the Superfreak hull, plus the known quality of the Trinity stuff and I think you've got a winner.

But then there is the build time of the Trinity...running what, 1 year now?

Aaron

 

[2lick]

Good post

 

[McDog]

Opinions are like a-holes. Here's mine:

The BOB looks cool (to me). The inside finish is not as good as I had hoped for. But the support from the manufacturer appears to be way, way above the industry standard. They are getting close to actual promised delivery times. An the price is right. Is it in the league of the Matrix/Rickter/Q8? I doubt it, but at $3500-$4000 it doesn't have to be. I think a BOB would be awesome, but I wouldn't want it as my only ski..but again at $3500-$4000 it might not have to be.

I've spoken to a few others and the BEST hull combination might be a superlight Trinity EVO (possibly cut back) with a 1000cc motor. Basically combine the known stability of the SX-R bottom (same bottom as the older EME Signature hulls) with the lightness of the Superfreak hull, plus the known quality of the Trinity stuff and I think you've got a winner.

But then there is the build time of the Trinity...running what, 1 year now?

Aaron

I can't stress enough how awesome Derrick is and how much respect and gratitude I have for him. He has stood behind my hull in every way. I'm sure everyone will see from my future pictures that I will have a different BOB hull soon due to an issue with my hull which was only the 6th one made. The molds and build process have had quite a few changes since mine was made from what I hear. Thanks to you Derrick and theskiclinic. Did I mention that theskiclinic is awesome and that the support from the manufacturer is way, way above industry standard? Oh, my BOB is fun as hell to ride too and has been a major springboard for me to learn to do backflips.

You didn't mention the Superfreak hulls. I would say that it is an awesome, well rounded, do anything, lightweight hull design and is made well by someone who really knows his composites. Tem is an awesome guy too and I would recommend Tem and his Superfreak hulls with as much enthusiasm as I recommend theskiclinic and the BOB.

 

[IceMan]

I agree with "ATS_Aaron" on the Trinity hull being as of now the best quality made hull to date; however all the Trinity hulls mentioned in your post above were sold due to personal reasons.... which I find a little hard to believe that everyone sold their hull for this reason only..... I think there is more than just personal reasons why they sold their skis....

In my opinion, I think that the Trinity hull is NOT made for flat water freestyle even if you drop in a 1000cc motor in it!!!

I have not ridden the hull myself but I can tell from how the hull was designed that it is not for freestyle and I am not trying to bash Bobby or his products and he did not in any way promote his hulls to be for freestyle so we should not talk about the Trinity Matrix being within this category!!!

The hulls that are freestyle focus are the Four hulls I mentioned above in my post:

1. Lenzi1one 2. Super Freak 3. EME Q8 4. Ultra Light "Rickter" Carbon Kevlar

These are the hulls that are proven and ridden by world class pro Riders and I am honored to own all 4 of them.

I know how everyone is crazy about the BOB but In my opinion the BOB is not in the same class or league as any of the hulls above with all my RESPECT to theskiclinic.....

 

[iptamenos]

this thread's always ends to "lock thread's"

 

[Wes K]

I would say from what I have read the Superfreak is aimed to be more of a surf hull than freestyle with the tail and entry rocker on it.

 

[McDog]

I wasn't trying to put the BOB in the same category as the others. It costs half what the others do. It is a budget ski but I bet most of you would be surprised at how good the build quality is for the money. If I could have any ski I wanted and money was not an option I would choose a carbon Superfreak. I don't think the tail and entry rocker hurt it's flatwater freestyle ability at all.

 

[Wes K]

I wasn't trying to put the BOB in the same category as the others. It costs half what the others do. It is a budget ski but I bet most of you would be surprised at how good the build quality is for the money. If I could have any ski I wanted and money was not an option I would choose a carbon Superfreak. I don't think the tail and entry rocker hurt it's flatwater freestyle ability at all.

It would probably help with freestyle too... I was just noting that it has been marketed mainly as a surf hull.... I would imagine the tail rocker would make it much easier to flip on flatwater too