Blackjacks suck for freestyle?wtf?

Big Kahuna

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Tuscaloosa, AL
Would some please explain how removing the inner venturi helps to improve the main circuit signal on Blackjack carbs? :thinking:

Also is the fuel nozzle under and around the main venturi area or does it just come out of the exiting hole where the auxiliary venturi was hacked off? :scratchchin:

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the BJ's are annular discharge, the circuit goes all the way around the throat of the carbs.... as the ski is running the fuel charge sprays out and is sucked down the intake track. This atomizes the charge......... I do not have a description to explain the signal part.....
 

#ZERO

Beach Bum
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Florida - U.S.A.
I found a picture of the Blackjacks venturi discharge holes in operation but how does increasing the diameter of the main venturi make the signal to the main circuit stronger?

Does anyone have the inner venturi diameter to compare it with the stock 44mm or 46mm mikuni sbn carbs?

This air stack looks like it would be real easy to make on a lathe incorporating the fuel discharge holes around the venturi but I'm wonder if it's really worth the trouble.

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GIL

Power In The Hands Of Few
Location
Cullman AL
Crammit is the resident expert on the Blackjacks....

Preach it Brother! His sheot hits like 2 mike tysons!!! Ask my left shoulder and left elbow-they hurt like hell today thanks to the XFT that gilcantridefor********. I really thought I would get comfortable on the XFT fairly quick-NOT-that thing drug my azz all over the lake. I now understand a motor/hull being too dam strong!
 

jetskiking

Im done sanding!!!
Location
Dallas Georgia
I found a picture of the Blackjacks venturi discharge holes in operation but how does increasing the diameter of the main venturi make the signal to the main circuit stronger?

Does anyone have the inner venturi diameter to compare it with the stock 44mm or 46mm mikuni sbn carbs?

This air stack looks like it would be real easy to make on a lathe incorporating the fuel discharge holes around the venturi but I'm wonder if it's really worth the trouble.

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I would say by getting rid of the huge obstruction in the throat of the carb. All I know is this carb was designed on a flow bench and many people have copied it. I would say its worth it.
As far as tuning I would not say they are easier to tune but deliver better results when tuned correctly. I do know that Charles has a very clean hitting boat that does not load up or hesitate. I also know that he has litterly tried every jetting and popoff combination possible to get it that way. He also listens to what Art tells him. Gee for an ADA cylinder and some race carbs it sure does have alot of bottom end power. Just goes to show you cant believe everything you read on the net
 

#ZERO

Beach Bum
Location
Florida - U.S.A.
That huge obstruction is the booster or inner venturi and it was designed to increase the vacuum signal and helps draw the fuel from the main circuit more efficiently.

The boosters also amplify the weak signal around the main venturi that occurs during low airflow conditions.

Unless the main venturi is smaller in diameter it seems nearly impossible that the signal would increase on these carbs without a major airflow boost.

How are you guys jetting these blackjack carbs; that might answer some of my questions?
 
i still smile everytime i ride my jetworks powered ski. for nothing on the ski exept the hull being stock .this is the most reliable ski ive ever owned.even my jetworks battery is even going on its 3rd year..i love my blackjacks never had a problem out of them
 

Big Kahuna

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Tuscaloosa, AL
I would say by getting rid of the huge obstruction in the throat of the carb. All I know is this carb was designed on a flow bench and many people have copied it. I would say its worth it.
As far as tuning I would not say they are easier to tune but deliver better results when tuned correctly. I do know that Charles has a very clean hitting boat that does not load up or hesitate. I also know that he has litterly tried every jetting and popoff combination possible to get it that way. He also listens to what Art tells him. Gee for an ADA cylinder and some race carbs it sure does have alot of bottom end power. Just goes to show you cant believe everything you read on the net
Actually on the jetworks website i believe the promote these for more rec riding application than racing.

"We designed the BlackJack Carburetor so that it could be used as a recreational model yet perform like a race only carburetor on the track. The requirements are quite different between a racer and a recreational rider.

The racer requires the maximum available air flow for the best top end speed possible. Most race craft leave the starting line between 2,500 to 4,000 rpm, usually with 2 holders holding the boat back. They have plenty of compression, lightweight flywheels, and relatively low pitched impellers to allow for the high rpm's needed to maximize the cylinder porting and pipe tuning requirements. This type of watercraft seldom needs to accelerate from a real idle speed.

The recreational - weekend rider requires instant response right from idle speed with frequent accelerations from idle to top speeds, and consistent response through turns. These type of watercraft usually run lower octane pump fuel and thus, lower compression. They also have heavier flywheels. This causes a longer dwell time relying on the low speed - transition circuit. This is the critical time because the air velocity through the carburetor is too low to start acting upon the high speed circuit. This is especially true when dealing with larger-than-stock carburetor bore diameters, let alone modified larger than stock-bore-diameter carburetors."
 

jetskiking

Im done sanding!!!
Location
Dallas Georgia
Actually on the jetworks website i believe the promote these for more rec riding application than racing.

"We designed the BlackJack Carburetor so that it could be used as a recreational model yet perform like a race only carburetor on the track. The requirements are quite different between a racer and a recreational rider.

The racer requires the maximum available air flow for the best top end speed possible. Most race craft leave the starting line between 2,500 to 4,000 rpm, usually with 2 holders holding the boat back. They have plenty of compression, lightweight flywheels, and relatively low pitched impellers to allow for the high rpm's needed to maximize the cylinder porting and pipe tuning requirements. This type of watercraft seldom needs to accelerate from a real idle speed.

The recreational - weekend rider requires instant response right from idle speed with frequent accelerations from idle to top speeds, and consistent response through turns. These type of watercraft usually run lower octane pump fuel and thus, lower compression. They also have heavier flywheels. This causes a longer dwell time relying on the low speed - transition circuit. This is the critical time because the air velocity through the carburetor is too low to start acting upon the high speed circuit. This is especially true when dealing with larger-than-stock carburetor bore diameters, let alone modified larger than stock-bore-diameter carburetors."
Sorry, I was being scarcastic.
 

crammit442

makin' legs
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here
Actually on the jetworks website i believe the promote these for more rec riding application than racing.

"We designed the BlackJack Carburetor so that it could be used as a recreational model yet perform like a race only carburetor on the track. The requirements are quite different between a racer and a recreational rider.

The racer requires the maximum available air flow for the best top end speed possible. Most race craft leave the starting line between 2,500 to 4,000 rpm, usually with 2 holders holding the boat back. They have plenty of compression, lightweight flywheels, and relatively low pitched impellers to allow for the high rpm's needed to maximize the cylinder porting and pipe tuning requirements. This type of watercraft seldom needs to accelerate from a real idle speed.

The recreational - weekend rider requires instant response right from idle speed with frequent accelerations from idle to top speeds, and consistent response through turns. These type of watercraft usually run lower octane pump fuel and thus, lower compression. They also have heavier flywheels. This causes a longer dwell time relying on the low speed - transition circuit. This is the critical time because the air velocity through the carburetor is too low to start acting upon the high speed circuit. This is especially true when dealing with larger-than-stock carburetor bore diameters, let alone modified larger than stock-bore-diameter carburetors."


I think the gist of the stuff you quoted is that BlackJacks have the ability to flow as much or more than any other race carbs(like buckshots) while still allowing for easy tuning and the kind of response that a rec boat needs. They don't require total loss and high compression to work well. Rec boats and freestyle boats have very similar needs. Clean, instant response with no loading up. Isn't that what we're all after?:thinking:
 

crammit442

makin' legs
Location
here
I would say by getting rid of the huge obstruction in the throat of the carb. All I know is this carb was designed on a flow bench and many people have copied it. I would say its worth it.
As far as tuning I would not say they are easier to tune but deliver better results when tuned correctly. I do know that Charles has a very clean hitting boat that does not load up or hesitate. I also know that he has litterly tried every jetting and popoff combination possible to get it that way. He also listens to what Art tells him. Gee for an ADA cylinder and some race carbs it sure does have alot of bottom end power. Just goes to show you cant believe everything you read on the net

The words in red are the most important.:biggrin: I have the ear of the best builder in the business and I listen very carefully to what he says and try to be an apt pupil. On the boat you rode I just installed the jets Art thought would be close and have not changed them since. It responded as it should have to screw changes and tached where it was supposed to so I didn't change anything. I have played around with various popoffs some. The only reason we weren't sure where the jetting would be was that I run a fuel that wasn't readily available when superjets were the raceboat of choice. When Superjets were the main race boat most guys were running regular leaded race fuel. I run oxygenated fuel and it requires significantly more jet. It was an educated guess based on Art's experience with SX-R's running the same fuel with BlackJacks. The initial settings were close enough that most people would have called it good enough. I ride alone a good bit of the time and I like wrenching as much as riding so I spend a fair amount of time trying different things. I'm also kind of finicky about things like that. Ever wonder why Tricky's boats run better than anyone else's? It's because he spends LOTS of time trying different things and learning little bits of info every time he goes to the lake. I think that's what it takes to really get a boat to run far above average. Super small changes sometimes can make a huge difference.
 

crammit442

makin' legs
Location
here
Would some please explain how removing the inner venturi helps to improve the main circuit signal on Blackjack carbs? :thinking:

Also is the fuel nozzle under and around the main venturi area or does it just come out of the exiting hole where the auxiliary venturi was hacked off? :scratchchin:


I think the best bet for you is to read all of the info on the Jetworks website and if it doesn't make sense, call Art and ask him what you want to know. My basic understanding(VERY basic and possibly incorrect) is that because of the billet venturi design, a low pressure area is created at the annular discharge orrifices. The fact that a flame arrestor MUST be used on jetskis, particularly K&N, TauCeti, etc, means most of the airflow will be directed toward the outer area of the carb throat. Similarly, I think because of the full spec bomb sight(annular discarge bombsight) design, Brazina recommends Prok FA's to encourage airflow at the booster. Either way, I don't care what anyone else runs. I was a hard sell at first because of the Group Kmart carb articles. I reluctantly tried one and now own 3 sets. I just think for what we do, their tolerance for high popoff pressures and clean response are tough to beat. Most yamaha twins and big strokers in particular tend to be pretty bad shakers. Carbs that demand low pop are tough to deal with. I don't build them and am NOT any kind of carb expert. I've just had very good luck with them. Like Forrest Gump says, "that's all I've got to say about that".:smile:
 
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GIL

Power In The Hands Of Few
Location
Cullman AL
Ask Charles if old milk has anything to do with his success of his BJ's. LMAO
(inside joke) Also ask him if his wife is still in the fridge.(another inside joke)
LOL

Sorry dude-Sept of 07??? Istill vote a you tube video of the volcanic milk coming out of the jug all over the inside of the fridge. I think it would be as
gross as link removed
 
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