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Um..... I did/was/am. Go back and reread the response you quoted.

Thank you for reminding me why this site is a joke.

You (and yes, I mean you, Jr.) know your poop, and people call you out.
People don't know that a "billet" is made from casting.
I could go on, but why?

I'll continue until I get banned, again.
It's funny, really. You know nothing about me, nor what I do, yet you want to punish me? For what? Go read and understand my post you quoted.

I know that you know motors, but I'll help you out here:
Hooked on Phonics | Learn to read


First off, it was not my intencion to quote you? Not sure why that happened?
My post was ment for everyone posting banter in this thread.

In the past, this site did become somewhat of a joke. I personally am trying to change that!
Thatis why I posted to get this thread back on topic. I have also called out other threads due to bad info
Being posted. I will continue to do so.

If you have been banned before as your stating? Who are you? We most certainly know and have record of everyone who has been banned on this site? Creating another account, as you know breaks site rules, and you will be removed again. You have just chosen to make this personal, out of something that was a miss cue on my part.
If you care to make an attempt to correct it? Feel free to contact Harrison and myself privately via PM

Paul
 
a billet does not indicate any particular manufacturing process.
it can be cast,extruded or forged.
most of the billets used for machining are extruded from cast aluminum ingots,pigs,rounds etc...
heck,some cast parts that are fully machined to finish dimensions can be considered "billet parts"

just trying to not derail op's thread
 

SXIPro

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a billet does not indicate any particular manufacturing process.
it can be cast,extruded or forged.
most of the billets used for machining are extruded from cast aluminum ingots,pigs,rounds etc...
heck,some cast parts that are fully machined to finish dimensions can be considered "billet parts"

just trying to not derail op's thread
Bingo. You can have a cast billet, a forged billet, a hot rolled billet, a cold rolled billet, round or square or even a plastic billet etc. Billet basically means a block of material. It does not matter how/where/what process was used to create that block of material. I learned this the hard way when I was visiting a foundry and I spouted off about the glories of billet. I got a quick education that billet is not the holy grail. it's just a chunk of material. nothing more, nothing less.
 
Bingo. You can have a cast billet, a forged billet, a hot rolled billet, a cold rolled billet, round or square or even a plastic billet etc. Billet basically means a block of material. It does not matter how/where/what process was used to create that block of material. I learned this the hard way when I was visiting a foundry and I spouted off about the glories of billet. I got a quick education that billet is not the holy grail. it's just a chunk of material. nothing more, nothing less.
Billet refers to a part made from one piece. Seriously?
 
a billet does not indicate any particular manufacturing process.
it can be cast,extruded or forged.
most of the billets used for machining are extruded from cast aluminum ingots,pigs,rounds etc...
heck,some cast parts that are fully machined to finish dimensions can be considered "billet parts"

just trying to not derail op's thread
Dude, read what you just typed. Where the fudge do you think any of the (your) above stated material came from?


You even typed the word "cast"!!!! Holy poop. O.k. I'll tap out. You fools win. Delete my account. Wow.

'cuz I'm the idiot, right? Holy f

A billet is a solid, one piece part. I have to get back to the real world now. Thanks. You ladies have a way about you......
 
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I won't. Your girl says I have a sexy aZZ, so, god forbid I bruise my butt on the door. Not quite sure why this thread keeps going. The link you posted is, well, what I brownie said.
 

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Hey Mods, I think I/we know who this guy/gal/transgendered poster is. The poster is a pain in the azz. For sure. The poster is a smart azz for sure. He is offensive no doubt. But looking back on this wonderful thread, I think he is the one who brought up "casting" billet material.

Ken23, can you get a closer pic of the fracture? End on, and from the side? It's hard to see if it's porosity in the casting, or a stress fracture. And, is that a shadow from an uneven break, or a gap? The valve blade shaft itself looks out of round.

Personally, I am a substance over form kind of guy. I could care less if the posters here have good manner or not, as long as I learn something from reading their posts. And although you may end up banning this guy/gal/transgendered pain in the azz eventually. Don't do it now. Because he redirected the conversation in what I believe has been a very helpful direction. Which IMHO should wake up engine designers!
 
Common nomenclature if something is "cast aluminum" you pour molten aluminum into a shape that is very close to the final shape of the part. This usually means that you have a relatively complex shape, so there are challenges with getting the molten aluminum to flow correctly and cool correctly, sometimes difficulties with avoiding contamination of the molten aluminum. The more complex the shape, the more difficult it is. There are all sorts of fancy ways to cast aluminum to control this stuff and avoid those problems, and there are also simple sand castings. Cast parts can be good, but they can be challenging to do well, so it's not uncommon for them to have issues.

Common nomenclature if something is "billet" aluminum it comes from a big hunk of aluminum cast in a very basic shape, usually under very tightly controlled conditions (made easier because you are casting a very basic shape, and because one big machine at one facility is doing huge quantities of the same thing so it can be very specialized. The simple shape, and the ability to closely control conditions while the molten aluminum is pouring and cooling allows very good control of the chemical and physical properties of the "ingot", which is the hunk of aluminum you are initially making.

From there, you can either melt it again to cast something, or, the ingot gets cold formed into some sort of useful or at least convenient shape. They're usually rolled into sheets or extruded. A relatively thick "sheet" (or a relatively thick extrusion) can be cut into blocks which are then commonly refereed to as "billet" aluminum.

The cold working increases the strength, and there is usually also heat treating that is used to manipulate the strength.

Fun fact, aluminum is often designated by a four digit number, then a letter and some more numbers "6061-t651", "7075-t6" The first four letters are specifying the chemical composition (how much aluminum and what percentage of what other alloying elements" The "letter" is the temper, it designates heat treating and cold working which determines the strength of the final product. "t" usually involves heat treating and sometimes additional cold working, "H" is designating strength requirements for work hardening alloys that don't readily respond to heat treating, "O" is annealed.

For all of those reasons, the chemical and material properties of what is commonly referred to as "billet" aluminum is usually very well controlled. That's the stuff people are talking about when they say "machined from billet" or "billet aluminum". That tight control over the properties is what is the advantage of "billet aluminum". You are very unlikely to see porosity in "billet aluminum", for all of the above reasons and more.


So if one wants to argue about semantics, yes everything that is made from aluminum involves pouring molten aluminum into a mold and letting it cool and harden at some point in time. Congratulations, go tell somebody at the bar about how your beer can is cast and watch them marvel at your brilliance. They will be amazed, I'm sure.

To say billet and cast is the same thing because all billets are cast is ignoring a whole bunch of metallurgy, either because somebody is more interested in arguing than providing useful information, or because they don't know. Hard to say which, but either way, not being helpful.
 

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No that guy/gal/transgendered sob is not being "helpful." But YOU are. And he/she/it is the reason you posted.

WHAT IS THE BEST ALUMINUM ALLOY FOR THIS PART? MAYBE NOT THE ONE USED BY THE MANUFACTURER OF THE ABOVE POWERVALVE?

IN A FREE MARKET, AN EDUCATED BUYING PUBLIC MAKES BETTER CHOICES WHICH CAUSES MANUFACTURERS TO RAISE THEIR GAME.

MAYBE MANUFACTURERS COULD GET MORE BUSINESS IF THEY ADVERTIZED THE SPECIFIC ALUMINUM ALLOY THEY USE INSTEAD OF JUST USING THE TERM "BILLET" AS "BLING."

AND MAYBE AN EDUCATED BUYING PUBLIC WOULD BUY FROM THE MANUFACTURER WHO USES THE BEST ALLOY FOR THE PARTICULAR PART?

This thread is helping me get educated. Thank YOU for posting, making the knowledge pool deeper. Thanks to iconic for instigating you to post.
 

SXIPro

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Billet refers to a part made from one piece. Seriously?
A billet part is a part made from one piece
Billet refers to a part made from one piece. Seriously?
. Yes that is correct. But we,at this point in the discussion,are talking about billet itself not the parts made from it. So your reply is not a valid argument against my post which is accurate. Checkmate.
 

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A billet is a solid block of aluminum (or any material) with the size depending on the size of your desired part. ... Contrary to casting, billet parts are created by removing excess material from the billet, essentially the part is carved out of solid aluminum.
Cast vs. Billet - CPM Industries
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Dec 23, 2014 - A billet is a small, semi-finished piece of metal that is rectangular, circular, or square in shape. It is a semi-finished casting product that needs further processing before becoming finished goods.





And now, I have to go back to the real world. Have fun, ladies. ...and like I said, go to a foundry, and maybe, actually learn something, instead of blatantly throwing around the term billet.

By the way, to be a site supporter, can I just "billet" to my card?
 

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yall are going to have to agree to disagree.

Facts: The PV is 6061-T6.
Facts: The PV is machined aluminum

Now whether you call it a billet or a cast doesn't really fkin matter.
 
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